taking over a nation for it's own good.

[Epidemic]

is it ever a good thing to take a country over for it's own good?

With Haiti as an example would it simply not be better to have the world community Take that piece of crap over and impose top down government replacement?

with the police and judicial portions controlled by foreign multinational force imposing mutually agreed to in the international community.








or is it better to just send aid to a sytem that is broken and it will improve itself in due time?

[Steve R Jones]

Isn't the UNITED STATES in a couple of WARS cause some people want to take over some countries?

[HMMurdock]

Not to mention America is doing such a great job running itself...

[butch81385]

The largest issue that I see, Epi, is that it is sure to lead to a revolt by the people. Even if you are trying to help, humans do not take kindly to being "overtaken" by someone else.

[Epidemic]

so then you vote for giving aid to a broken system and hoping someday it will turn around. but said money will go to fund the broken system.

HMMurdock, The USA is handling itself perfectly compared with Haiti.

Steve R jones,
I don't think I mentioned the USA. I am thinking about the donor countries in general/the UN.



You are right though the current power base who are the current warlords and organized crime types would fight to regain their illigitimate hole on things. They would try to convince the wretched refuse to side against those trying to help.

[butch81385]

I fully agree with your last statements (take a look at the Taliban trying to legitimize itself in Afghanistan to get a better backing by the people).

However, I don't agree with your first statement. It is not a black and white decision (unless you are making it one for the sake of the thread). There are ways to not only donate money for immediate use (food, water, medical, etc), but to also aid in education and economy. Picture a large investment by US financiers to build a business based economy while simultaneously upgrading the trade routes (infrastructure, ports, etc). It could bring a nice pile of money to the poorer people, especially on the north coast, letting them start to make a difference themselves.

There are plenty of other ideas out there too. Some obviously better than others, but nonetheless there is more options than throw money blindly or complete takeover.

[Epidemic]

I don't know much about Haiti, but in that system don't the educated just become the new lords and masters. with corruption being so prevelant is there a way to fix this system by simply getting a well into a neighborhood and giving a kid an 8th grade education?

[butch81385]

The educated are able to take advantage of the uneducated. Get better education to all and that edge disappears.

[Epidemic]

fair enough but I envision the system as so broken as to not be possible with out vast changes.

As in the internation take over of the country. otherwise you are just talking about generations of helping a few people and no progress toward the goal of a society with out an edge.

[butch81385]

Yes and no. In the city there would need to be a lot of changes. When you move up into the central plateau, people are already banding together and helping each other as equals. Many of these villages have privately funded schools and orphanages which are helping. In Pandiassou there is a group of Brothers and Sisters (religious) helping to educate and employ the locals in the village. The nearest City (Henche) still has issues, but Pandiassou has almost all of the kids in school learning basic education as well as opportunities for learning English, etc. It is making a difference.