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    Now that Republicans have control of the house...

    • Where are the jobs?
    • Why isn't the economy fixed yet?
    • Why is there still a deficit?
    • Why isn't the recession over yet?


    What is going on here? What country was John Boehner born in?

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    well to be fair... if you knew anything they have no power now. But when they actually take power they will only have added the ability to apply the brakes, not steer or step on the gas. so their ability will be far different than that of a party with control of the gas pedal, break pedal and steering wheel.

    to be fair to the democrats they did not have a bullet proof control of the three branches so they were not able to fully implement their ideas either.

    But they came as close as possible to having complete control. The republicans only impared it like a single shot of wiskey. it was measurable but by no means incapacitating.

    Through the Bush years there was never a seriously controlled congress, Clinton had similar problem with being in complete control.

    Barak is the only president in recent times to have had the whole shooting match signed sealed and delivered

    Kennedy and Johnson had it pretty good. other than them I don't think either party has really been able to push an agenda with impunity.

    Of course even with said power you saw america enter unpopular war.

    Carter (just sucked) democrats he had decided control of congress and still sucked.

    Regan pushed by force of personality one house. As I recall his presidency he actually was pretty powerful considering his lack of congressional mandate.

    Clinton blew in the wind what ever direction it went (ultimately you might give republicans a great deal of responsibility for the clinton's years success because clinton followed rather than led.

    Bush slim majority (by no means conservative agenda) (I don't want to count him as a republican I rate him up there with Carter.

    Obama only 2 years but had substantial control of congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    If the republicans don't raise the debt ceiling, we'll crash sooner, but it won't be as bad as crashing later. This will make them look HORRIBLE but it's the right thing to do.
    So you want the U.S. to default on its debts? This is the one sure path to destroying any hope of our country maintaining its role as the world's leader. As a small side benefit, it would bring down the global financial systems. But hey, no problem, we're probably better off starting a global economy from scratch, right?
    Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .

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    defaulting and devaluing are pretty close to the same thing to the person holding the note.

    If we take their 14 trillion dollars and turn it into 1 trillion with hyper inflation they are just as screwed as if you defaulted on 13 trillion dollars

    Default keeps em from investing again for a while. this might be good because it results in genuine reduction in entitlements

    Hyper inflation alows you to simply continue the course of overspending.

    it is like a poor person who keeps taking loans at higher and higher rate you still are in the same hole but it keeps getting deeper until you cant even reach the ladder any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    It's either default or hyperinflation.
    And nothing in between? Your claim is absurd. Even modest inflation (which is desirable) is not yet on the horizon. The concern now is deflation, which can be almost impossible to control once it starts.

    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    Why is the Fed buying our debt? Because foreigners don't want to touch the stuff.
    This is just factually incorrect. Did you just make it up?

    You seem to be a 100% black or white kind of thinker here. I have a news flash for you. Few things in life are that simple. The world has many colors in the spectrum, including countless shades of grey.
    Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon184 View Post
    • Where are the jobs?
    • Why isn't the economy fixed yet?
    • Why is there still a deficit?
    • Why isn't the recession over yet?

    What is going on here? What country was John Boehner born in?
    You're trying to be funny, but they aren't in control. Like electing a president, the congressional inaugurations take place at a date later than the election.

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    Voogru, would you buy an asset today knowing that next year it'll be worth less? If you can put off the purchase, you will wait. In aggregate, this action will cause huge problems. Deflation is dangerous. Some price inflation is good along with commensurate income inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru
    I think that computer will be cheaper by 10% next year, so I'll wait a year before buying a new computer when I need one now.

    I think that flat screen TV will be 10% cheaper next year, so I'll wait a year to save $50, and be without that nice flat screen TV and miss the superbowl on it.

    I think food will be cheaper next week by 1%, I'll starve this week to save $5.

    I think gasoline will be cheaper next week by 1%, so I won't buy gas for a week to save money.
    People engage in these actions all the time.

    If I'm in the market for a new iPhone and I think a newer model will come out in 3 months that will have better features and the same price, there's a good chance I'll wait.

    If I know a new line of processors is coming out in a few months, I may delay my PC purchase.

    I was recently in the market for a new flatscreen television. Instead of buying an LED TV, I have decided to buy an LCD TV instead and buy an LED down the road when they are cheaper, sacrificing LED goodness in the name of value.

    When gas prices are high or at all volatile, people routinely try to manipulate their driving habits and fill up dates in order to maximize value, changing their lifestyles in the name of value and savings.

    Quote Originally Posted by voogru
    We had deflation between 1800 and 1913, and this country had plenty of prosperity between those years.
    Do you know what the difference between correlation and causation is, and how the differences between these two concepts relates to your above statement?

    Why am I even asking? Of course you don't.

    How do 1800 - 1913 and 1913 - 2010 compare in terms of "prosperity"?
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    What a long list of excuses to account for your lack of knowledge on the simplest of economic principles.

    Your statements are all about "most people". What data do you have to back this up, or are we, as always, just supposed to take your word as gospel because you're such a self-proclaimed brilliant god?

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    Tell me, Pex, why aren't foreigners buying it? Because they are junk.
    Again, just factually incorrect. Our debt continues to sell, both here and abroad, and it is still considered one of the safest investments in the world. Do you have a different defintion of "junk" than the rest of the bond traders in the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    Prosperity does not come from creating money out of thin air.
    No one has ever made that claim, to my knowledge.
    Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    It seems to me that your thinking that the government can fix everything simply by printing money out of thin air, is a lack of knowledge on the simplest of economic principles.

    I agree that anyone making that claim would lack knowledge of the simplest of economic principles. Who has made that claim?
    Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    I don't know about that, brandon.

    It seems to me that your thinking that the government can fix everything simply by printing money out of thin air, is a lack of knowledge on the simplest of economic principles.
    Good job. You've proved that you're great at mimicking others when things aren't going your way. Remind me to ask my 6 year old niece what caused her to mature beyond that point so I can pass on those tips to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    I'm not going to do your homework.
    It's not my homework to do. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to grasp? The burden of proof is on you to back up your claims. If I claim that the world is a cube, it's not then your job to prove my claim as being true.

    Regarding your ridiculous examples, you either understand the economics, or you don't. You can either explain it, or you can't. And since you cannot, perhaps you need to go back to school and get a proper education that allows you to operate on the same wavelength as everyone else. You're the one always crying and bitching about how you don't get the respect you deserve despite the fact that you only have a fifth grade education, but you make absolutely zero effort to get any credibility by backing up your claims or being accountable for the statements that you make.

    It doesn't matter if you have a 3rd grade education or a masters degree from an ivy league school. If you don't hold yourself accountable for the statements you make, you will always look like a complete and total idiot. If you want to "educate others", you need credibility. A nice first step in getting that credibility would be to grow up and hold yourself accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    It's a waste of my time to provide you with anything. You will object to everything no matter how true it is simply because it doesn't fit in with your ideology.
    Then don't do it for me; do it for the other readers here. Or is it not worth providing them with anything either? If that's the case, then why bother investing so much time and energy on this forum posting your inane nonsense? You talk about wanting to "educate" people. Well, educate away!

    And who cares if I object to what you say? If you actually believe what you post, you shouldn't care about someone objecting to it, and you should be happy to defend it.

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    Actually, I have proof that everything in that publication is 100% false. The proof is in this book:

    Amazon.com: Principles of Economics (9780324589979): N. Gregory Mankiw: Books: Reviews, Prices & more

    It's $157.80, but sometimes "doing homework" is expensive. Have a nice day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    People will never change their opinions based on what someone else says.
    That seems like a silly statement to me, considering how dedicated you claim to be on "educating" people. Why invest so much time in energy in educating others if your above statement is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    Mankiw is a New Keynesian economist. Of course he's going to disagree.
    How can you know for sure unless you've read the book?

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    I'm getting into this late and I see the topic is "Now that Republicans have control of the house..." but it's been derailed into a topic about monetary policy.

    Getting back to page one, there are some important decisions to be made soon. Two million people will run out of unemployment benefits next month if Congress fails to act in the coming weeks. Will the Democrats extend the benefits and the Republicans stop it in the Senate? Once the new session begins, there is no hope of extending benefits.

    It was mentioned that the debt ceiling needs to be raised soon. Some are against it saying that it will cause hyperinflation. These people are the same people that have been warning of inflation (wrongly) for some time. Earlier this year, annual inflation was 2.7 percent. Today, itís 1.1 percent. They are the same people who think markets are always right. Interest on ten year T-bills are 2.5%, which means that money managers do not predict hyperinflation.

    But getting back to the topic, what is the Republican House going to do to create jobs?
    Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    But getting back to the topic, what is the Republican House going to do to create jobs?
    Cut taxes and reduce spending.

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    I think his economic understanding is pretty sound. What is not known is what the tipping point is when people completely fail to trust your money. I believe we are in a bubble right now, borrowing money to pay for daily needs as we outspend our income continuously.

    At some point someone is going to call us on it either by demanding their money or charging us more to borrow. If we continue to let spending outpace our income then you eventually have an acceleration of the cost to borrow. Entitlements in america will at somepoint need to be payed for. There is no serious tax rate that wont negatively impact the economy. Even most democrats realize this.

    i don't know if hyper inflation is on it's sooner or later but I feel we are on a path that intersects with it within my lifetime and probably alot sooner than I would like.

    My dad's retirement is in jeopardy AFAIAC. Not having much savings I probably will not be crushed by it if it happens sooner.





    BTW I am not sure what real value inflation has (it is expected). it is one of these things where it is expected, and people get their 2% raise every year but I am not sure I understand the negative aspect of getting paid a salary that remains the same unless I change my value.

    If I can buy a loaf of bread for 200 years for $1.60 and my house costs $200,000 to replace for 100 years, what is the down side?

    What is the value in 1 dollar being able to buy less every year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by voogru View Post
    Think of it this way, I am telling you that the sky is blue, and that you can go outside and see for yourself, that the sky is blue.

    But I am refusing to take a picture of the sky and show it to you.


    Thank you, voogru, for giving me that hearty dose of laughter. I needed it today!

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