ICE claims all .com and .net websites are in its jurisdiction

**no1_vern** · July 6th, 2011, 06:05 AM

You read that right. No matter what country a website is in, the owner/company/admin can be targeted by ICE if the website is breaking US copyright laws and is a .com or .net website.

THE US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) wants to take down web sites that use the .com and .net top level domains (TLD) regardless of whether their servers are based in the US.

Erik Barnett, assistant deputy director of ICE said told the Guardian that the agency will actively target web sites that are breaking US copyright laws even if their servers are not based in the US. According to Barnett, all web sites that use the .com and .net TLDs are fair game and that, since the Domain Name Service (DNS) indexes for those web sites are routed through the US-based registry Versign, ICE believes it has enough to "seek a US prosecution".

For those guys who think we shouldn't force our laws on other countries, what do you think of this? Can they actually prosecute anyone?

we are gonna kick some pirate butt!!

**pickel** · July 6th, 2011, 08:04 AM

Hell, they can't even enforce our Laws HERE, now they want to try in other countries. Seems all political in nature.
All show and No Go.
More taxpayer monies down the drain. Idiots !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**tony_j15** · July 6th, 2011, 12:50 PM

Further proof that control of the Internet needs to be turned over to a neutral 3rd party. Something like the UN and operated out of Switzerland.

**Chuckiechan** · July 6th, 2011, 12:54 PM

Why would you want to give control of the US internet to another country with the assumption that we aren't capable of doing it ourselves?

I'm not a "one worlder"... sorry.

**tony_j15** · July 6th, 2011, 01:01 PM

Why would you want to force the entire world to rely on the US for domain access? Between the Patriot Act and this ICE release, it is clear that the United States intends to use the Internet as a tool to enforce an imperialistic agenda.
It has nothing to do with being a "one worlder," it's about ensuring equal access to all and stopping powerful interests from silencing voices without due process.

**pickel** · July 6th, 2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by tony_j15

Why would you want to force the entire world to rely on the US for domain access? Between the Patriot Act and this ICE release, it is clear that the United States intends to use the Internet as a tool to enforce an imperialistic agenda.
It has nothing to do with being a "one worlder," it's about ensuring equal access to all and stopping powerful interests from silencing voices without due process.

Hear!!Hear!!!

Did I say that ??...

**sharder8** · July 6th, 2011, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by tony_j15

Why would you want to force the entire world to rely on the US for domain access? Between the Patriot Act and this ICE release, it is clear that the United States intends to use the Internet as a tool to enforce an imperialistic agenda.
It has nothing to do with being a "one worlder," it's about ensuring equal access to all and stopping powerful interests from silencing voices without due process.

Crock of shit!!!

Who developed the current internet tony? Who paid for it and who maintains it?

How about this . . . let other countries develop their own version of the internet and then they can control their own . . . as well as maintain their own.

They can build it with inter-interoperability with ours or not. Realize this tony, other countries stifle their people while using our internet already.

OR

They can pay us and abide by our rules!

Harder

**pickel** · July 6th, 2011, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by tony_j15

Between the Patriot Act and this ICE release,
.

Originally Posted by sharder8

Crock of shit!!!

Realize this tony, other countries stifle their people while using our internet already.

Harder

And you do not think the powers that be do not have that on their minds??????

Control is the name of the game and Big Brother is watching you , me , Everybody !!!!!!!!!

**sharder8** · July 6th, 2011, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

And you do not think the powers that be do not have that on their minds??????

Control is the name of the game and Big Brother is watching you , me , Everybody !!!!!!!!!

I've always known that pickel . . . I was big brother listening in!

But, why let every Tom, Dick, or Tony, tells us how we should run what we invented, built, and maintain?

BTW, there is more than one internet . . . others will follow . . . big brother will always be there.

Harder

**tony_j15** · July 6th, 2011, 02:35 PM

Crock of shit!!!

What is? Your post? Why, yes, yes it is.

Who developed the current internet tony? Who paid for it and who maintains it?

The "current" internet? Never heard that one before!

The network backbone has its root in the ARPANET, which also led to the creation of TCP/IP. However, ARPANET was discontinued in 1990.
Who pays for it? You seem to be implying that the US government is somehow the payee and that makes it "ours." This is complete fiction. The Internet is maintained by many companies and organizations. Or, if what you say is true, then as a taxpayer I expect free Internet! You know, since we "own" it and pay for it.

One of the most important organizations regarding domains is ICANN, which is a NPO with a multi-national board. Previous to ICANN, domains were handled by the the US government, which could be why you are confused as to thinking the Internet belongs to the US.

How about this . . . let other countries develop their own version of the internet and then they can control their own . . . as well as maintain their own.

Again, this statement is based on the erroneous belief that the Internet belongs to the US. The networks already have been built out by other countries using their own money. If your statement was accurate, then the US would be paying for servers in Europe. Do you see that?

They can build it with inter-interoperability with ours or not. Realize this tony, other countries stifle their people while using our internet already.

Of course it's built to be inter-operable. That's the entire point of the Internet! That's why CERN used TCP/IP when they were building out networks during the '80s. And yes, countries do stifle Internet use. But how are you classifying it as "ours"?

They can pay us and abide by our rules!

Pay us for what? Our rules for what?
Again, your entire argument can be summed up as follows: "We invented it, we control it, and we get to decide how it's used."
While we did come up with a lot of the initial architecture, the Internet has evolved beyond that. It's not a US creation anymore. Asia and Europe have also contributed significantly. We do not control it (although we try). Organizations like ICANN do so.
Your position is one of a selfish infant. I suggest you grow up and learn to share and to be fair.

**Chuckiechan** · July 6th, 2011, 05:42 PM

Why do you want to raffle off US interests and abilities to a foreign country?

It's ours and we're keeping it. So give the Swiss Nazi's your passwords and bank account numbers (if you have any) if you are so warm and fuzzy with "anyone but the USA" taking care of your life.

Count me out.

**Creatures** · July 6th, 2011, 07:40 PM

lol swiss nazis, I see we hit godwins law in 11 posts!

Creatures

**Chuckiechan** · July 6th, 2011, 08:31 PM

...just thinking about ya....

I have a problem with people thinking our soverignity is something to give away.

It is expensive to keep, and priceless when lost.

**tony_j15** · July 7th, 2011, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

Why do you want to raffle off US interests and abilities to a foreign country?

It's ours and we're keeping it. So give the Swiss Nazi's your passwords and bank account numbers (if you have any) if you are so warm and fuzzy with "anyone but the USA" taking care of your life.

Count me out.

US interests? The Internet is not a "US interest". It's a world wide network that everyone shares the costs for.
I wholly doubt that you understand how the Internet functions, or you wouldn't be making the foolish claim that we "own" the Internet and it's ours to keep or give away. You are in the same misguided boat as sharder8. You can't "own" the Internet! You can merely attempt to control it, for good or bad.

I have a problem with people thinking our soverignity is something to give away.

I entirely agree. However, the Internet is not sovereign US property. I dare you to prove otherwise.