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    Facebook Follows Server Brains From Taiwan to China

    Facebook Follows Server Brains From Taiwan to China | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

    Google, Facebook, and other giants of the internet demand something very different from the standard servers sold by the likes of traditional manufacturers Dell and HP. And because they purchase such a large number of machines, they can afford to design their own in tandem with original design manufacturers (ODMs) in East Asia. These ODMs are the same companies that build machines for Dell, HP, and other original equipment manufacturers (OEMs). In essence, Google and Facebook are cutting the Dells and the HPs out of the equation, causing a major shift in the market.
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    Nothing new about cutting out the middle man by big business, it's common.

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    No one seems to complain about this outsourcing. I guess it's "politically correct" outsourcing.
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    "Outsourcing" in what regard? That the servers aren't being manufactured in America? Or that they aren't being manufactured by Dell, who is also a huge outsourcer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    No one seems to complain about this outsourcing. I guess it's "politically correct" outsourcing.
    So wait, you're against free market capitalism? Or you're just for it/against it when it suits your needs/desires/whichsideofbedyouwokeupon?
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    No, I am a realist.

    If we are going to have a country that supports everyone, we are going to have a tax base that can do it.

    We can't keep getting "hollowed out" and expect to finance our nations needs. In the short run it was good that the prices were falling due to Chinese imports. In a sense, it acted like you were getting a "raise", since your paycheck went farther. But that comes with a price, and now we are paying the piper.

    "Free market capitalism" does not include currency manipulation, intellectual property theft, copyright infringement, and internet piracy.
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    You make it sound as if it's moral or ethical issue, but if America had brought "brains" over from China, you'd consider it a huge success story.

    Sounds like sour grapes.

    Facebook being able to acquire tens of thousands of cheap servers on an ongoing basis is part of how it stays competitive, creates American jobs and builds new American data centers.

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    Sounds like sour grapes.
    So you are in favor of currency manipulation, intellectual property theft, copyright infringement, and internet piracy?
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    No, I am not in favour of those things.

    What intellectual property is being stolen in this case? This is something that Facebook is doing all on it's own. The server designs themselves are not protected and are open to anyone who wants to use them:

    With Facebook “open sourcing” its server designs under the aegis of the Open Compute Project, giving them away to anyone who wants them, more and more companies are exploring this direct-to-East-Asia route, including not only large internet companies but also financial outfits, biomedical companies, and other outfits that require large numbers of servers. Goldman Sachs, for instance, is one of the big names leading the Open Compute Project.

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    Fair trade is fine as long as it's fair. Increasingly so, it's not. From a pure economic/efficiency sense, I am against trade barriers, but when jobs are lost and American prosperity is compromised because of unscrupulous trading "partners," sanctions need to be levied as well as benefits given to keeping jobs in-house.

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