January 5th, 2012, 12:35 AM #1
911 tells teen mom to ‘do what you have to’ to protect baby.
Teen mom kills intruder after 911 tells her to ‘do what you have to’ | The Raw Story
An 18-year-old Oklahoma mother shot and killed an intruder on New Year’s Eve after a 911 dispatcher told her to “do what you have to do to protect your baby.”
"I can’t tell you that you can do that, but you do what you have to do to protect your baby,” the dispatcher said.
Shortly after that conversation, McKinley used the one of the weapons to kill Justin Martin after he kicked in the door. A second man, Dustin Stewart, later turned himself in to police.
“You’re allowed to shoot an unauthorized person that is in your home,” Blanchard police Det. Dan Huff said. “The law provides you the remedy, and sanctions the use of deadly force.”They say technology slows down for no one. I know it outruns my wallet. I figure its because my wallet isn't light enough yet.
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January 5th, 2012, 08:30 AM #2
January 5th, 2012, 08:46 AM #3
I think wounding is an option, but if you or loved ones lives are in danger you may not want to play around with a trick shot.
I believe self defense classes teach to shoot center mass with a double tap, not to shoot knives out of hands or chandeliers onto criminal to incapacitate them.
This is not the movies.
I know you are not a big defender of a persons right to defend themselves you would have them wait and hope the victims are not too badly wounded before the police arrive. I happen to believe that the violent antagonist knows that they give up their rights when assaulting the protagonist.
The criminal knows they are in the wrong, they choose to physically impose their will on others and hope that the victims will not prevail. in this case thanks to Colt the Teen aged female was able to render the criminals calculation useless.
let me ask you this? Two men are trying to kick down your the door of a woman with a knife in hand, do you think they are delivering cookies?
What are the likely outcomes of her not having been armed or having not used the guns?
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January 5th, 2012, 08:55 AM #4Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing
January 5th, 2012, 08:58 AM #5
Intruders have feeling too.... He could have only been wounded so he could then become a burden on Society via the high cost of PRISON.Imagine a world where dogs took bad owners to the pound...
January 5th, 2012, 09:54 AM #6
More than likely they were a burden on society already. Whether it is a burden on doing harm to people or the burden of securing, and feeding they are a burden on humanity..
January 5th, 2012, 12:22 PM #7
Epidemic I've been trained to first fire a warning shot (when there is time), then extremities then lower torso (bladder).
I don't know what they train you over there but shot to kill is the last option and only when your life is in danger. Nothing life threatening happened thus far just a guy entering a room, IMO more than enough time to warn them BEFORE they enter the room that you are armed. Chances are very low that they will throw a grenade throw the door OR shoot through the door randomly.
warning shot probably would have driven them off
January 5th, 2012, 12:41 PM #8
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One less scumbag on the planet. Screw a warning shot, their warning was a couch barricading the door and 21 minutes of attempting forced entry(time this little gal spent on the phone with 911), while waiting for the police.
January 5th, 2012, 12:50 PM #9
In self defense it's "One shot in the center of mass, a second shot if he doesn't immediately retreat or fall."
The line between self defense and manslaughter varies with the political climate in a given area. You can't be seen to "want him dead" - that goes to "intent".
The best "California defense" - Get a lawyer and say no more than "I shot once to the center of mass. He fell. I called 911. I didn't know if he was dead or alive."
NOTE: A warning shot can be considered "Negligent discharge of a firearm" unless you can prove you were "warning off bodily harm".Obama: The rich have the Federal Reserve and the poor have Harry Reid... LOL. Life really is unfair!
January 5th, 2012, 01:09 PM #10
January 5th, 2012, 01:35 PM #11
He was armed, he had a large hunting knife!
Single, young, female, mother w/ baby . . . big guy comes busting through the door after trying to get in for 20 minutes . . . what are you thinking? That he wanted to wish her a "Happy New Year"? Use the brain God gave you and the intelligence your teachers supposedly furnished you with Creatures!
January 5th, 2012, 02:22 PM #12
doesn't matter the person with a gun is the better armed person in this situation, the guy with the knife was NOT charging her but just came through the door thus there is no imminent threat of death.
and don't tell me she was standing right at the door OR not in cover. she had the upper hand, you were in the army, charging a house equals at least 1 casualty when someone is pointing a gun at the door (ignoring situations with flash bangs etc.)
they told here to do anything which probably caused her to shot to kill, although I'd prefer to punish him with prison time than a good way out of his miserable life.
January 5th, 2012, 02:39 PM #13
I might have been inclined to warn him but that is the cowards way out. You just push your problem off to the next person or a later date when you are not able to defend yourself.
January 5th, 2012, 03:22 PM #14
Simple rule of self defense . . . kill them before they kill you!
January 5th, 2012, 03:50 PM #15
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They are not there for a party, a weapon was involved, end it. Why in hell would anyone sane wait until there life was even further at risk before taking the person out? Just doesn't make sense. Nature teaches us very essential things, and as it's been said many times, only the strongest survivor.
I know you are intelligent enough to assume that there is threat of death when someone has broken into the privacy of your home. Weapon or no weapon, they are not there to do good.
I value my life over some scumbag, and I sure as hell don't want to have him get three warm meals a day on my taxes.
The others above said it better.
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January 5th, 2012, 04:02 PM #17
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The scumbag made several bad choices, getting involved with drugs, stealing to support a habit/sale of drugs, and breaking into an armed citizens home with a weapon. A sure Darwin winner if there ever was one. It's time you hopey,feeley changey types get it through your thick skulls that vermin are meant to be eradicated, and this vermin has been eradicated.
January 5th, 2012, 04:10 PM #18
January 5th, 2012, 04:33 PM #19
I don't understand your fascination with causing a catastrophic injury to someone instead of killing them
Seriously though, you are taught to injure in a military confrontain rather than kill?
Originally Posted by Miguel Keith (June 2, 1951-May 8, 1970)
Originally Posted by ATKINS, THOMAS E 10 March 1945
I think there are a couple of dead Japanese soldiers who would disagree with shooting to wound as well. Your telling me they taught you to wound instead of kill in the Swiss Army? I am gonna have to say you must not have been listening that day to what was said, or perhaps you misunderstood the context. (otherwise you military is just being poorly trained)
Perhaps it was shooting to wound in trench warfare situation where you want them to waste time taking care of the injured
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I fell sorry for the 18-year-old. First she losses her husband on Christmas day and the she has to make the decision to shot an armed assailant. Killing somebody is no joke and it will live with you for the rest of your life. I firmly believe in shoot to kill. You don't shoot to wound and how can you with a shotgun! It's just plain old nature's instinct.
RIP you pile of shit.
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