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    Talking Dawkins claims he isn't sure God doesn't exist.

    link: Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist - Telegraph

    By John Bingham, Religious Affairs Editor

    7:19AM GMT 24 Feb 2012


    He told the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, that he preferred to call himself an agnostic rather than an atheist.
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    Richard Dawkins: I can't be sure God does not exist
    He is regarded as the most famous atheist in the world but last night Professor Richard Dawkins admitted he could not be sure that God does not exist.
    Sounds like his scientist friends made him "take it back"!

    What do you think? Is he really having a religious crisis?
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    Well there you go. If he can be swayed to the possibility of god then everyone else should just believe.

    Truth be told, you can't in all good conscience deny the possibility of god.

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    Vern you are reading way to much into this as he has never changed his tune in his lack of belief.

    He bases his agnosticism on his 7 point scale which can be found in his book, The God Delusion. He even says in the video that he is a 6.9 which relates his opinion to that of probability such as found in the concept of science that 99.9% probability is as near certain as you can boast about any scientific claim.

    Here is his position on the scale of 6.9.

    6.De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that he is not there.

    7.Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.

    If you want I can scan the page from the book.

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    And this is why I applaud and respect him. He shares a very similar belief to me in the sense of almost 100% certainty, but understanding that you cannot guaranteee it as you simply just do not know.

    I consider those who are 100% certain on EITHER side of the fence to be nuts, as even with all the proof you think you have, you just don't know and cannot prove without a doubt it/he/she does not exist, nor does exist.

    I suppose we will all find out when we are laid to rest. (or assuming the thoughts of a non-believer, will we?)
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    At 99.9999999% sure that there isn't, I'll take the odds that something doesn't exist and is nothing more than a thought experiment gone wild for some. The odds aren't good and it's all due to a little thing called evidence. There's a total lack of evidence of there ever being any gods. The Christian god suffers the same scrutiny that the other gods suffer in this respect.
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    Heck, you could even bring the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle into it. Try to look at things too closely and you just can't. :-)
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    Oh the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, right. I was just thinking of that...

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    Are you making fun of me, Auntie Surreal? :-)
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    This is the way of the righteous, such as they are. As I have already pointed out, the concept of doubt is a double-edged sword with the religious. I find it amusing that if an atheists acquiesces even a sliver of self-skepticism, then they must, must, must concede that all the myths, legends and fairy-tales – no matter how ridiculous – should receive the same treatment.

    They posit that anyone who exhibits anything less than a complete 7 on the Dawkins scale is obligated to consider the possibility that everything else that comprises the bible and religious theology should, by default, be considered for debate. This mindset was the catalyst for all the batshit crazy stories that have been littering the ether and airwaves over the past few days that gist toward the theistification of Dr. Dawkins, when, in fact, over the years he has become an even stronger atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pexster View Post
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    I don't get it
    This is just another example of the media reporting about some dude running his mouth about his religious( or NON ) beliefs.
    Is he supposed to be on the same level Jesus Christ ?????

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    Actually, Richard is on a different level. We know he exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer View Post
    Actually, Richard is on a different level. We know he exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer View Post
    Actually, Richard is on a different level. We know he exists.
    Almost all scholars agree that Jesus existed. There is more proof of Jesus existing (even by non-followers) than of Alexander the Great. To deny that he existed as a man is just foolish. Now, whether you believe he was God, or God's Son, or a prophet, etc., is where the difference is. Just wanted to clarify that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butch81385 View Post
    Almost all scholars agree that Jesus existed. There is more proof of Jesus existing (even by non-followers) than of Alexander the Great. To deny that he existed as a man is just foolish. Now, whether you believe he was God, or God's Son, or a prophet, etc., is where the difference is. Just wanted to clarify that.
    sure he existed but none of his wonders^^ those were all made up

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    "Almost all scholars agree"
    Apologetic scholars will agree maybe but there is a real case against the historical Jesus. The evidence for is exclusively Christian. The writers of the gospels are admittedly not of the same time period proposed for the historical Jesus. The writings in the current Bible have been re-written so many times you can't get an accurate date for anything written in the Bible. There are so many inconsistencies in the Bible that you really have to take anything it says about history with a large grain of salt. Most of this type of talk comes from Bible scholars that are and aren't religious. Their main goal is to record what is known and what isn't. They have come up with very little actual evidence for a historical Jesus.

    So to say most scholars would actually be saying, most theologians I would suspect. Those are historical scholars. They dare Christian propaganda peddlers.

    You should read a little G.H. Wells or Richard Carrier for a more accurate view of what is and isn't valid historical evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatures View Post
    sure he existed but none of his wonders^^ those were all made up

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    do you have a link to proof of that statement




    As for him existing??? Was Jesus an an un-comon name?



    Joseph Smith performed miracles before thousands.

    He healed many people of sickness, many of which were close to death. One non-member women with a withered hand came to visit with Joseph and several other people, and Joseph suddenly got up, walked over to her, and commanded that her hand be made whole. Several people witnessed this first miracle, and marveled that her hand became fully functional.
    Hell there is more proof that MR smith performed miracles . there are certainly millions who believe he did as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epidemic View Post
    do you have a link to proof of that statement




    As for him existing??? Was Jesus an an un-comon name?



    Joseph Smith performed miracles before thousands.



    Hell there is more proof that MR smith performed miracles . there are certainly millions who believe he did as well.
    that's the fun part I actually assume that jesus or anything close to it was a common name and one of them being of prophet isn't that far fetched and prophets usually get punished from time to time ;p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beemer View Post
    "Almost all scholars agree"
    Apologetic scholars will agree maybe but there is a real case against the historical Jesus. The evidence for is exclusively Christian. The writers of the gospels are admittedly not of the same time period proposed for the historical Jesus. The writings in the current Bible have been re-written so many times you can't get an accurate date for anything written in the Bible. There are so many inconsistencies in the Bible that you really have to take anything it says about history with a large grain of salt. Most of this type of talk comes from Bible scholars that are and aren't religious. Their main goal is to record what is known and what isn't. They have come up with very little actual evidence for a historical Jesus.

    So to say most scholars would actually be saying, most theologians I would suspect. Those are historical scholars. They dare Christian propaganda peddlers.

    You should read a little G.H. Wells or Richard Carrier for a more accurate view of what is and isn't valid historical evidence.

    The jury is still very much out on this one.
    I understand that the writings by Josephus have been debated due to it being altered in later centuries, but I figured the inclusion of Jesus in no less than three other Jewish or Roman texts, and multiple mentions of Christians following their leader who was a man in other texts would be enough to admit that he existed as a man. I mean, the written evidence of Alexander the great is a biography written 400 years after his death...

    But I guess we both see in the evidence what we want ourselves to see.
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    It's what is verifiable. Got any links to your evidence? I’ll see what is known and verifiable or where apologetics has written in something.
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