February 27th, 2012, 10:14 PM #1
Are states "jumping the gun" when they start prepping for the collapse of the nation?
House advances Miller's doomsday bill
House advances Miller's doomsday bill
CHEYENNE, Wyo. -- State representatives on Friday advanced legislation to launch a study into what Wyoming should do in the event of a complete economic or political collapse in the United States.
House Bill 85 passed on first reading by a voice vote. It would create a state-run government continuity task force, which would study and prepare Wyoming for potential catastrophes, from disruptions in food and energy supplies to a complete meltdown of the federal government.
The task force would look at the feasibility of Wyoming issuing its own alternative currency, if needed. And House members approved an amendment Friday by state Rep. Kermit Brown, R-Laramie, to have the task force also examine conditions under which Wyoming would need to implement its own military draft, raise a standing army, and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier.
The bill's sponsor, state Rep. David Miller, R-Riverton, has said he doesn't anticipate any major crises hitting America anytime soon. But with the national debt exceeding $15 trillion and protest movements growing around the country, Miller said Wyoming -- which has a comparatively good economy and sound state finances -- needs to make sure it's protected should any unexpected emergency hit the U.S.
Several House members spoke in favor of the legislation, saying there was no harm in preparing for the worst.
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February 27th, 2012, 11:08 PM #2
Obviously, the citizens of the Great State of Wyoming haven't prepared for the worst by hiring the politicians that are running their State. They have no one to blame but themselves.
When the "End" does come, all the preparation one can do, will all be for naught..IMO.
February 28th, 2012, 12:12 AM #3
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D) Go Occupying
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February 28th, 2012, 09:39 AM #4
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I think it's a great idea. A state is responsible for the safety of its citizens (to an extent). If the Federal government should collapse, or just turn communist or socialist completely... then a state needs to be ready to close its borders, consolidate resources and defend itself from any threat.
I do believe that's what having individual states is all about, isn't it?
February 28th, 2012, 09:55 AM #5
I guess how much I oppose it will depend on how much it costs to research. I do feel as if we are in a particularly precarious time in the world.
I doubt any amount of preparation will really hold up to a complete economic collapse unless we are talking about a low population region.
Nebraska might fare pretty good but NYC and Suburbs will fall when 14,000,000 people find themselves with no modern infrastructure.
I Think where i am would fare ok but for the 2 million people who would try to take what I have as the plunder the rural areas for resources. Ultimately I think any prep work for an unknown societal collapse would be a pipe dream.
Prep for economic collapse and a plague hits and your prep is all wrong because maintaining governmetn assumes that people show up for work to maintain government and services.
Our 1st world society is a house of cards. Relying on trucking resources , power, services. The first thing that will happen if our infrastructure grinds to a hault. Looting, and hoarding resources, the have nots then rising against the hoarders. Mass violence, and finally exodous of the remaining people.
Eventually people will band together and re-assemble and rebuild. I think the best laid plans would simply fail in the face of the real problems and unforseen items overlooked.
All that said, Wyoming would be one of the places most likely to keep it together with the low population density, agrarian culture is still deeply fixed in their lives.
They could be self sufficient with little upheaval . NY, california, florida would fall flat on their faces with virtually no way to keep those states from falling into chaos.
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February 28th, 2012, 10:33 AM #6
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February 28th, 2012, 10:57 AM #7
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Read the book "One Second After"...
February 28th, 2012, 12:17 PM #8The book's premise sets the stage for a series of "die-offs". The first takes place within a week (those in hospitals and assisted living). After about 15 days, salmonella induced Typhoid fever and cholera set in from eating tainted food, drinking tainted water, and generally poor sanitation. Americans have lived in an environment of easy hygiene, sterilization, and antibiotics, making them prime targets for third-world diseases. The lack of bathing and poor diet will lead to rampant feminine hygiene infections; deep cuts, rusty nail punctures, and dog bites go untreated with antibiotics, tetanus shots, or rabies treatment as more die from common infections.
Critical medical supply and food thieves and others are executed in public as enforcement of martial law. In 30 days cardiac and other drug-dependent patients die off. In 60 or so days, the pacemaker and Type I diabetics patients begin to die off (although John's young daughter manages to survive until Day 163). The 5% of population having severe psychotic disorders that no longer have medication will re-create bedlam. Jury-rigged wood-burning stoves lead to carbon monoxide deaths and fires that cannot be controlled for the lack of a fire department.
Then refugees from the cities show up looking for food and shelter and the fight over scarce resources leads to confrontation, home invasion, and more violence-related die-offs. The community becomes an inviting target for free prisoners and organized gangs and more violence-related die-off. Ration cards are issued to conserve the little remaining food; regardless, the community slowly starves with the elderly the first to die off. Next parents starve themselves to save their children. Throughout this period suicides are common. After a year, approximately 20% of the initial population has "survived".
This was the "average" die-off for the country. The Food-rich Midwest had the highest survival rate with a 50% die-off. New York City and Florida had a 95% die-off from its infighting among their large populations, low levels of cultivated land, high elderly population, the lack of air conditioning, rampant transmission of disease, and natural disasters such as hurricanes.
sounds about how I envision it.
Wyoming of course would be in that category of greatest survival rate as I indicated and florida and NY are toast.
February 28th, 2012, 12:25 PM #9
I wouldn't laugh this off entirely.
If you consider that our monetary system is based on a "promise to pay", then you can ask the follow up question: "Pay with what?".
That "What" as far as international transactions is concerned is "something that can be exchange for goods and services".
Which leads to: "How much is your dollar worth in goods and services?"
For example, a couple of years ago a dollar was worth 1/600th of an ounce of gold. Today it is worth 1/1700th on an ounce of gold.
So, as our leaders keep devaluing our currency with "quantitative easing" - i.e. inflation, our dollar will be worth less, and everything we import with foreign components costs more. And pretty soon we can't afford most things anymore, and demand falls even further. And if we borrow more money, the interest rate goes up because our dollar's value is falling. That raises costs, which raises prices, which lowers demand even more.
And that is in a world without taxes. A whole buttload of them - Bush tax cuts expire and Obamacare tax increases are going into effect in January, 2013 with a "lame duck" congress, and maybe a "lame duck" president to determine what to keep and what to toss.
So don't laugh. Even Art Laffer is worried. And that's no laughing matter!
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February 28th, 2012, 12:44 PM #10
Hyper inflation sucks.
It happened in Germany. But monetary collapse is recoverable. With an EMP, infrastructure, or Plague based collapse you see a break down of everything. Monetary collapse I would have to look back to the 30's and see how that worked. My guess is that government simply takes over business, Rations, and eventually things return to normal. It sucks but I am not sure that monetary collapse is a real societal crusher.
February 28th, 2012, 07:26 PM #11
February 28th, 2012, 07:44 PM #12
A picture is worth a 1000 words?? When someone comes the house and I answer the door with Cody in tow, I wish I had my camera. The look of instant apprehension seeing a 115 lb Lab trying to get out is PRICELESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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February 29th, 2012, 03:27 AM #15
You think your dog is your best friend? Lock you and your dog in a room without food for a few days, and we'll see who's who's friend. All you are is a meal that doesn't bite."The world burns while Obama Tweets."
February 29th, 2012, 05:23 AM #16
Anyone watch this new tv series? I've watched a few minutes here and there. The people are nuts.
Doomsday Preppers explores the lives of otherwise ordinary Americans who are preparing for the end of the world as we know it. Unique in their beliefs, motivations, and strategies, preppers will go to whatever lengths they can to make sure they are prepared for any of life’s uncertainties. And with our expert’s assessment, they will find out their chances of survival if their worst fears become a reality. .
Doomsday Preppers - National Geographic ChannelThe propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.
February 29th, 2012, 09:48 AM #17
That doomsday preppers show is an advertisement for my post apocalyptic grocery store. I am going after that lady in connecticut first cause she is easy pickings
Wait at the corner of their property with Scope and take em out 1 at a time and poof a couple year supply of food and water.
A real doomsday prepper is under the radar and unknown
February 29th, 2012, 10:04 AM #18
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That is correct. Those who are prepared don't advertise.
And just speaking of pets, Me and my dog already have an agreement. She stands guard duty and gets rations.. when the rations run out, she's dinner.
February 29th, 2012, 12:01 PM #19
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