The New Black Panthers Unpunished Threats

[Chuckiechan]

The New Black Panthers’ Unpunished Threats - John Fund - National Review Online

There are different laws for different slices of Obamaland...

[Theophylact]

The soi-disant "New Black Panther Party" (no relation to the Black Panther Party) barely exists:

As of 2009, the NBPP claimed a few thousand members organized in 45 chapters, while independent estimates by the Anti-Defamation League suggest that the group is "much smaller" but is nevertheless able to attract a large turnout of non-members (some of whom "may not even realize what this group actually stands for") to its events by focusing on specific issues of local interest.

[evereddie]

The soi-disant "New Black Panther Party" (no relation to the Black Panther Party) barely exists:

Right Theo, we really shouldn't worry about an organization til at least one person gets killed, or one really big bomb goes off. Move along, nothing to see here.

[RicheemxX]

Sadly if the role was reversed and this were say a white group or some extremist like the national socialist or whatever the new neo-nazi groups are out there, we'd likely have another ruby ridge or wacco on our hands. The feds would want to quash it right now, we'd see them charged with everything they could think of for charges and they'd storm any offices or meeting places to press their warrants and IMO rightfully so!

We shouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior, but you have to wield that sword equally you can't let one "groupo" get away with things you would want another punished for. So what if its only a few people, even the Nazi's started small!!

[MTAtech]

The New Black Panthers’ Unpunished Threats - John Fund - National Review Online

There are different laws for different slices of Obamaland...

If your theory is that failure to prosecute the New Black Panthers is because of Obama (everything Chuckiechan posts blames everything these days on Obama) please be aware that the actions taken in your linked National Review piece are under state jurisdiction, not federal. Obama has no authority to intercede and I am sure you would be one of the first charging Obama with using dictatorial powers if he did intercede.

Moreover, since the states also haven't done anything, I call in question the legitimacy of the accusation.

[no1_vern]

Sadly if the role was reversed and this were say a white group or some extremist like the national socialist or whatever the new neo-nazi groups are out there, we'd likely have another ruby ridge or wacco on our hands. The feds would want to quash it right now, we'd see them charged with everything they could think of for charges and they'd storm any offices or meeting places to press their warrants and IMO rightfully so!

We shouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior, but you have to wield that sword equally you can't let one "groupo" get away with things you would want another punished for. So what if its only a few people, even the Nazi's started small!!

There is a popular saying going around(on the 'net) that a black person(and I guess all the other minority groups) CANNOT say anything racist because they ARE a minority. ONE of the threads I am talking about

[Theophylact]

The "New Black Panthers" are indeed a hate group. But they're all talk -- which, I might point out, is still legal.

[Chuckiechan]

Obama has no authority to intercede and I am sure you would be one of the first charging Obama with using dictatorial powers if he did intercede.

It is a civil rights violation, and the "wanted poster" was published, thus crosses state lines. Issuing a "hit" can be federal. But I won't hold my breath waiting for Holder to do anything about it.

New Black Panther Party, same as Old Black Panther Party.

Does "freedom of speech" include issuing a bounty "dead or alive" on a person by a private organization? Not in my world.

Admit it. Even Black Panthers have limits. In spite of what Holder thinks.

[pickel]

S So what if its only a few people, even the Nazi's started small!!

Holding the New Black Panther Party on the same level with the Nazi's, IMO, is an insult to the Nazi's.
When I lived in NYC and marched in the protests during the Viet Nam War, I met many Black panthers and even visited their head quarters on Broadway.
These New phonies, while using their name, shows how low lifes try to get their 2 minutes of fame while holding up in their crib and NOT having to put their Ass on the line or risk jail time.
Trash comes in many colors.

[Theophylact]

Does "freedom of speech" include issuing a bounty "dead or alive" on a person by a private organization? Not in my world.

The question is, does this rise above bumper-sticker level?

[Gomer]

The New Black Panthers’ Unpunished Threats - John Fund - National Review Online

There are different laws for different slices of Obamaland...

Take your false outrage somewhere else, chuck.

Last night’s Rachel Maddow Show reported that “wanted” posters targeting several abortion providers were distributed by anti-abortion extremists … just before those abortion providers were assassinated.

Posters created to describe the late doctors David Gunn, George Patterson and John Britton are terrifyingly specific, offering information such as physical appearance, addresses, license plate numbers and even children’s names and ages. All three doctors were murdered in the months after the posters were distributed. A similar “wanted” poster was created for Dr. George Tiller, who of course was gunned down by an anti-abortion extremist in 2009. (On Monday, during the Rachel Maddow Show’s usual time slot, MSNBC will air a new documentary called The Assassination of Dr. Tiller.)

Now, new posters are being distributed for three abortion providers in the Charlotte, North Carolina, region, effectively putting a bounty on those doctors’ heads.

There's something you can get legitimately upset about.

[RicheemxX]

So just because no one took them up on the bounty they shouldn't be charged?

I'm all for freedom of speech and talk is one thing but IMO there is a big difference between something like Theo posted and and a full blown wanted poster offering a cash bounty, real or not! You are putting it out there with the single intent. All it would have taken was one nut job and it would have escalated and who knows how many people might have been hurt or killed.

Gomer you are right, there should be outrage in any issuance of wanted posters. Its not just abortion doctors that face those extremists but animal testing facilities and other corp heads. In all cases I think any of those people should be charged. But you still seem to want to draw a line here??

Vern - that was an interested thread. I couldn't read it all but read a few pages. Interesting to see the varied opinions of those in another country. One post though gave me a good laugh. The poster blamed American's for black suppression.

"I'm black, and I refuse to be racist to anyone. So what, we were slaves a couple centuries back and the Americans suppressed us." Guess the poster doesn't follow the history of the UK very closely

[Gomer]

So just because no one took them up on the bounty they shouldn't be charged?

I'm all for freedom of speech and talk is one thing but IMO there is a big difference between something like Theo posted and and a full blown wanted poster offering a cash bounty, real or not! You are putting it out there with the single intent. All it would have taken was one nut job and it would have escalated and who knows how many people might have been hurt or killed.

Gomer you are right, there should be outrage in any issuance of wanted posters. Its not just abortion doctors that face those extremists but animal testing facilities and other corp heads. In all cases I think any of those people should be charged. But you still seem to want to draw a line here?

What do you want to charge them with?

What's the difference between what Theo posted and a wanted poster? You don't think there are nutjobs riding around with that bumper sticker on their car?

A wanted poster is despicable. The bumper sticker is despicable.

"Gomer you are right, there should be outrage in any issuance of wanted posters"

Don't add a you are right to something I didn't say. There shouldn't be outrage over wanted posters. There should be outrage over extremist groups using them to actively hunt, attack, and murder a group of people and their families. If you want to draw a line, that's a good place to start.

Chuck doesn't really give a shit either way. He just wants to make some noise and disparage the President.

[Gomer]

There is a popular saying going around(on the 'net) that a black person(and I guess all the other minority groups) CANNOT say anything racist because they ARE a minority. ONE of the threads I am talking about

Popular? How did you establish that?

[pickel]

Chuck doesn't really give a shit either way. He just wants to make some noise and disparage the President.

Profiling Are We ???????

Don't pick on Chuckie. He can't help himself, Oh My.

[RicheemxX]

Gomer if you don't see the difference between posting someone's description, name, face and personal details and offering a full on cash bounty and posting an idiotic none-descriptive bumper sticker then you are above any help I might be able to give you.

Sure idiots are born daily and someone might take it liberally that those are two totally different scenarios...

You want charges, conspiracy to commit kidnapping, conspiracy to commit murder for hire..you can tack on a ton of other conspiracy charges there. Willful or reckless endangerment, I'm sure we can add on some civil rights violations

[Gomer]

Gomer if you don't see the difference between posting someone's description, name, face and personal details and offering a full on cash bounty and posting an idiotic none-descriptive bumper sticker then you are above any help I might be able to give you.

Sure idiots are born daily and someone might take it liberally that those are two totally different scenarios...

You want charges, conspiracy to commit kidnapping, conspiracy to commit murder for hire..you can tack on a ton of other conspiracy charges there. Willful or reckless endangerment, I'm sure we can add on some civil rights violations

There are countless hate groups saying countless despicable things. Despicable though it may be, they have been guaranteed that freedom.

This sort of thing has been through the courts before. There is a difference between actually ordering a hit and expressing oneself in an image, poster, bumper sticker, etc. There are multiple jurisdictions that could levy charges if they were warranted. No? Why do you think none have been levied?

[RicheemxX]

Well Gome before you start printing up your wanted posters for Chuckie and I you might want to visit your lawyer. I could likely cite case law and show precedence but arguing with you is boring to me. I'll just post a couple recent articles

"Wanted" posters lead to murder-for-hire charge | UTSanDiego.com
Anti-abortion activist guilty of stalking Charlotte doctor | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper

And leave you with this one.

We know what a DA can charge a defendant with, what they will charge a defendant with and what the defendant would get convicted of are totally different things. I doubt there is any DA out there that would try to get what would likely be a minor charge to stick and face the media circus that would be.

edit: Found this in an article shortly after this posting

The Supreme Court ruled, in Brandenburg v. Ohio, that in order to punish this kind of (free) speech, it must meet three tests: intent, imminence, and likelihood to incite “lawless action.”

I'm not sure that ruling would be directly related to the matter as its more of an "inflammatory speech in general" action rather than a direct personal threat as you'd have here. Either way they are reportedly still investigating the possibility of charges and the family has also reportedly asked that charges be brought. So they still might.

[Chuckiechan]

Gomer, it is against the law to offer a "bounty" for another US citizen. The is the job or law enforcement, not the Black Panthers.

I can't believe you are on the New Black Panther's side on this. In spite of your thread craps and re direction, it's all about context. A "dead or alive" wanted poster was issued for Zimmerman by the NBP party. There is no "wiggle room" here. You use the work "disgusted" to cover your ass, but somehow you seem to think it's ok.

I guess it fits though, as the left has no use for the opinions of the right or the people who hold them.

[Gomer]

Well Gome before you start printing up your wanted posters for Chuckie and I you might want to visit your lawyer. I could likely cite case law and show precedence but arguing with you is boring to me. I'll just post a couple recent articles

"Wanted" posters lead to murder-for-hire charge | UTSanDiego.com
Anti-abortion activist guilty of stalking Charlotte doctor | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper

And leave you with this one.

We know what a DA can charge a defendant with, what they will charge a defendant with and what the defendant would get convicted of are totally different things. I doubt there is any DA out there that would try to get what would likely be a minor charge to stick and face the media circus that would be.

edit: Found this in an article shortly after this posting



I'm not sure that ruling would be directly related to the matter as its more of an "inflammatory speech in general" action rather than a direct personal threat as you'd have here. Either way they are reportedly still investigating the possibility of charges and the family has also reportedly asked that charges be brought. So they still might.

It looks like you have answered your own concerns here:

As I said on Tuesday, the decision not to charge the NBPP over the flyers is probably due to a failure to meet the legal standard required, or at least to meet it sufficiently. The Supreme Court ruled, in Brandenburg v. Ohio, that in order to punish this kind of speech, it must meet three tests: intent, imminence, and likelihood to incite “lawless action.”

My guess was that the New Black Panther flyers failed to sufficiently meet the “likelihood” standard, and/or that such a case would have been more trouble than it was worth to prosecute.

There you have it.

It appears I can print all of the wanted posters for you two goobers I want! Eh? =)
So much for "citing case law and showing precedents"

What amuses me the most... is that you and Chuck were previously 'We don't have all the facts. The justice system has done its job.' kind of guys and now you're polishing up your JD degrees and begging for charges.

Thank you for that third link. You saved me the trouble.