April 16th, 2012, 11:54 AM #1
Myth - "Women and children first"
What, did you think strongest of us would WILLINGLY give up the best chance of survival to mere women and their get?
Every man for himself -Gender, Norms and Survival in Maritime Disasters (pdf)
Analysis of survivors from 18 maritime disasters shows women "have a distinct survival disadvantage", say researchers at Uppsala University in Sweden.
The report says captains and crew have a significantly higher survival rate.
The Titanic disaster 100 years ago this week was a rare exception because the captain threatened to shoot those who disobeyed, they conclude.
The study covered sea disasters spanning three centuries, involving more than 15,000 people. The authors say data from 16 of the ships had never been analysed in this way before.
The first was the troopship HMS Birkenhead on 26 February 1852, which the authors say was the disaster often seen as giving rise to the idea of saving women and children first.
When the American liner SS Arctic sank in September 1854, women and children were also ordered to the boats first. But the evacuation was disorganised, and they quickly filled with crew. The captain threatened disobedience with violence, but hesitated to enforce his orders. The death toll was 227, including all women and children, and the 41 survivors were mostly crew members.They say technology slows down for no one. I know it outruns my wallet. I figure its because my wallet isn't light enough yet.
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April 16th, 2012, 01:18 PM #2
I guess it just depends if you think chivalry is dead or not.The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.
April 16th, 2012, 01:42 PM #3
It's about species survival.. Better to have 20 women survive for each man... Assuming you are the surviving man...
And finally, women of breeding age are usually smaller and lighter and you can stuff more of them in a small place."The world burns while Obama Tweets."
April 16th, 2012, 02:05 PM #4
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to hell with species survival.
In my case I am the bread winner. To leave my kids in the hands of my wife would doom them to a lower income and quality of life.
Then again my insurance might help offset that a bit. Naahhhhh she would spend that on shoes.
I vote for Children and bread winners first.
As far as species:
I doubt that there is any serious problem with shipboard disasters causing the species to fall into the endangered category
April 17th, 2012, 01:59 AM #5
I have always held that this "species survival" vs "women and children first" are not the same thing.
Don't get me wrong, I am pro-women and children.
It's just that in any given specific situation there are differences from any other situation. For example in the ship wrecks scenario would not each life boat need a skilled seaman?
Or another scenario; instead of running for their lives countless people run INTO a burning building (and die) on the 1 in 100 chance of saving a life.
And to top it all off, like many others, I find this fact of humanity to be among our greatest feature. (Or failure?)
April 17th, 2012, 05:27 PM #6
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April 18th, 2012, 04:53 AM #8
"Women and children first" (or to a lesser extent, the Birkenhead Drill) is a historical protocol whereby the lives of women and children are saved first in a life-threatening situation (typically abandoning ship, when survivial resources such as lifeboats are limited). The saying is most famously associated with the sinking of RMS Titanic in 1912, although the first documented use concerned the wrecking of the Royal Navy troopship HMS Birkenhead.
During the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, ships typically did not carry enough lifeboats to save all the passengers and crew in the event of disaster.
The practice of women and children first arose from the chivalrous actions of soldiers during sinking of the Royal Navy troopship HMS Birkenhead in 1852, which was memorialized in newspapers and paintings of the time, and in poems such as Rudyard Kipling's "Soldier an' Sailor Too." In that wreck the captain ordered the wives and children aboard (20 in all) to enter the only small lifeboat available, saving them, while the men stayed on board until the ship was wrecked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_a..._first_(saying)The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.
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