+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 18 of 18
  1. #1
    Ultimate Member Chuckiechan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    North Mexico
    Posts
    17,028

    Judge Napolitano: First Patriot To Shoot Down A Government Spy Drone Will Be A Hero

    » Judge Napolitano: First Patriot To Shoot Down A Government Spy Drone Will Be A Hero Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    As we reported in February, over 30 prominent watchdog groups have banded together to petition the FAA on the proposed increase in the use of drones in US airspace.

    The groups, including The American Civil Liberties Union, The Electronic Privacy Information Center, and The Bill of Rights Defense Committee, submitted a petition demanding that the FAA hold a rulemaking session to consider the privacy and safety threats.

    Congress recently passed legislation paving the way for what the FAA predicts will be somewhere in the region of 30,000 drones in operation in US skies by 2020.

    The ACLU noted that the FAA’s legislation “would push the nation willy-nilly toward an era of aerial surveillance without any steps to protect the traditional privacy that Americans have always enjoyed and expected.”

    In addition to privacy concerns, the groups warned that the ability to link facial recognition technology to surveillance drones and patch the information through to active government databases would “increase the First Amendment risks for would be political dissidents.”
    Obama: "If you like your Ebola, you can keep your Ebola!"

  2. #2
    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ no1_vern's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Albany, Ga.
    Posts
    20,294
    I wonder how much of the confusion and hard feelings would have changed IF a spy plane/drone had footage of the Martin/Zimmerman incident.



    It would certainly help the Govt find those pesky first rights instigators who think they can say whatever they want.
    They say technology slows down for no one. I know it outruns my wallet. I figure its because my wallet isn't light enough yet.

    TechIMO Folding@home Team #111 - Crunching for the cure!
    dulce bellum inexpertis

  3. #3
    The Jiggawatts, Marty! tony_j15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Joplin, MO
    Posts
    16,804
    Blog Entries
    1
    While Alex "Troll-Master" Jones would have you believe this is some huge affront on your rights, the truth is far less dramatic. The issue is we currently don't any any good rules in place for who can operate drones and they are proliferating rapidly. We need rules in place so that amateurs can continue to operate their R/C planes and we can come to a conclusion about whether realtors should be able to operate drones to take pictures of real estate they are marketing. We need rules so that the Interior Department and the National Parks Service can operate drones to look for forest fires, so the Coast Guard can do enhanced search and rescue, so border patrol agents can better look for illegal border crossings, and so the National Guard can do more effective disaster relief after event like Katrina or the Joplin tornado.
    All 1.21 of them.

  4. #4
    Ultimate Member Chuckiechan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    North Mexico
    Posts
    17,028
    There are good uses for drones.

    But to allow the nations police agencies to do surveillance at will, on everyone in the USA is not what citizens of America signed up for.

    Today's optics will allow a drone driver to see what is in your pockets in the dark of night.
    Obama: "If you like your Ebola, you can keep your Ebola!"

  5. #5
    The Jiggawatts, Marty! tony_j15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Joplin, MO
    Posts
    16,804
    Blog Entries
    1
    It's part of the information surveillance net that already encompasses everything you do. If you want that fixed, you'll need to repeal the Patriot Act and get Americans to give-up their security-at-all-costs post 9/11 mentality that is based on fear and ignorance.

    Got a link to the drone optics, BTW?
    All 1.21 of them.

  6. #6
    Ultimate Member Chuckiechan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    North Mexico
    Posts
    17,028
    Nope. Classified.

    But for starters, you can "process in" body jewelry though clothing using Photoshop by tweaking the settings.
    Obama: "If you like your Ebola, you can keep your Ebola!"

  7. #7
    The Jiggawatts, Marty! tony_j15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Joplin, MO
    Posts
    16,804
    Blog Entries
    1
    Yeah. Still images. Taken in daylight. Using cameras that take images from several feet away. I have no doubt someone is working on it, but I don't think we are there yet. You'd have better luck pulsing them with x-rays or some other sort of active-return scan. There just isn't enough information present in low-light or no-light/infrared situations to return pictures of what is in someone's pocket. IMO.
    All 1.21 of them.

  8. #8
    Member The Birdman 472's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    236
    Quote Originally Posted by tony_j15 View Post
    While Alex "Troll-Master" Jones would have you believe this is some huge affront on your rights, the truth is far less dramatic. The issue is we currently don't any any good rules in place for who can operate drones and they are proliferating rapidly. We need rules in place so that amateurs can continue to operate their R/C planes and we can come to a conclusion about whether realtors should be able to operate drones to take pictures of real estate they are marketing. We need rules so that the Interior Department and the National Parks Service can operate drones to look for forest fires, so the Coast Guard can do enhanced search and rescue, so border patrol agents can better look for illegal border crossings, and so the National Guard can do more effective disaster relief after event like Katrina or the Joplin tornado.
    This is so true. There can be so many good uses for drones. Plus, I am an RC plane enthusiast, but the regulations regarding where to fly can be quite confusing and annoying at times. I really hope that they make some good regulations without creating too much of a situation like in the movie V for Vendetta or 1984.

  9. #9
    MR Meek and Mild Epidemic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    almost Virginia
    Posts
    11,555
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    There are good uses for drones.

    But to allow the nations police agencies to do surveillance at will, on everyone in the USA is not what citizens of America signed up for.

    Today's optics will allow a drone driver to see what is in your pockets in the dark of night.
    Do you want to blind all the spy sattellites? Can police follow tail you just because?

    Is it the act of tailing that bothers you or the ease of which you can be tailed with a spy drone. Are you all for it as long as it costs lots of money and manpower?

    Somehow I doubt there will be a spy drone assigned to you in your mundane life.

    You do know that that little airplane up there way high in the sky with a pilot could be filming you as you travel down the highway. If the police can patrol the skies right now with a two seater plane why cant they use a drone?

  10. #10
    Ultimate Member Chuckiechan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    North Mexico
    Posts
    17,028
    Well, EPI, it's like boiling a frog. It won't be long and you won't see anything wrong with wearing a RFID tag "just in case you need help"...
    Obama: "If you like your Ebola, you can keep your Ebola!"

  11. #11
    The Jiggawatts, Marty! tony_j15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Joplin, MO
    Posts
    16,804
    Blog Entries
    1
    RFID? Try again, Chuck. People already carry a way more advanced device with them every day that tracks their every movement and relays everything they say.

    RFID chips are mostly useless except for short range scanning on the range of inches to several feet.
    Last edited by tony_j15; May 18th, 2012 at 09:27 AM.
    All 1.21 of them.

  12. #12
    Member The Birdman 472's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    236
    Quote Originally Posted by tony_j15 View Post
    RFID chips are mostly useless except for short range scanning on the range of inches to several feet.
    That's a good point, RFID chips are mostly used for stock keeping at warehouses and stores.

  13. #13
    Member The Birdman 472's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    236
    On the subject of the drones, I was originally thinking that drones could possibly increase the amout of bird-strikes because drone operators wouldn't be able to see what a real pilot in a plane would see. But now I realize that, bird strikes already happen and cause regular planes to crash, and maybe it would be better for a drone to crash than a plane with a two person crew or such to crash.

  14. #14
    The Jiggawatts, Marty! tony_j15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Joplin, MO
    Posts
    16,804
    Blog Entries
    1
    On the subject of actual threats from drones: they do occasionally lose communication with the controllers, at which point they are supposed to go into safe mode and either fly a hold pattern until the signal is re-established or return to base. The problem is software occasionally bugs up and they continue flying. As more and more of these things get into the sky, chances increase that they could fly over airports or no-fly zones like DC, causing all sorts of problems.
    All 1.21 of them.

  15. #15
    MR Meek and Mild Epidemic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    almost Virginia
    Posts
    11,555
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by tony_j15 View Post
    On the subject of actual threats from drones: they do occasionally lose communication with the controllers, at which point they are supposed to go into safe mode and either fly a hold pattern until the signal is re-established or return to base. The problem is software occasionally bugs up and they continue flying. As more and more of these things get into the sky, chances increase that they could fly over airports or no-fly zones like DC, causing all sorts of problems.
    I would think the first failure mode would be to fly to a designated location using GPS.

    if communication's are lost and GPS is lost then I guess flying into airspace of an airport is possible. but sometimes personal aircraft and commercial aircraft lose signal to the brain. Heart attacks, strokes... Is it really any worse a threat than a pilot breaking down.

    A triple failure of GPS, loss of communications, proximity and default course that endangers airports might be a fairly unlikely event.

  16. #16
    MR Meek and Mild Epidemic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    almost Virginia
    Posts
    11,555
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    Well, EPI, it's like boiling a frog. It won't be long and you won't see anything wrong with wearing a RFID tag "just in case you need help"...
    I have a cell phone along with 94+% of the rest of the population.

    sometimes the water is not going to boil and the frog just gets a comfortable bath it really all depends on the ultimate heat applied to the water.

    By your logic, we should not have police because at some point they might abuse their power, We should not have a military because time and time again through out history militaries are used against the people, you should not demand drivers licenses.

    Sometimes things are abused and others they are not. Tell me essentially what this drone is going to do to you. In your rogue government situation, what is uncle sam going to use this drone for? How is it essentially different from other methods that exist and are employed today?

  17. #17
    The Jiggawatts, Marty! tony_j15's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Joplin, MO
    Posts
    16,804
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Epidemic View Post
    A triple failure of GPS, loss of communications, proximity and default course that endangers airports might be a fairly unlikely event.
    It happens. The more drones there are, the more likely the event.
    All 1.21 of them.

  18. #18
    MR Meek and Mild Epidemic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    almost Virginia
    Posts
    11,555
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by tony_j15 View Post
    It happens. The more drones there are, the more likely the event.
    not to be too argumentative, buttttt, there is a difference.

    that sounds like it only met one of the criteria. Lost communications. Possibly 2 in that apparently it did not have a gps mode to travel to a designated safe area and fly in circles waiting for more commands. i guess they don't have that algorythim in the thing.

    But it did not fly into airport airspace.

    I would recommend that they have designated safety areas for any stateside drones. For them to travel to in the event of loss of signal. A system like that would be even better than what private airplanes have Currently in the air
    Last edited by Epidemic; May 18th, 2012 at 04:49 PM.

Quick Reply Quick Reply

If you are already a member, please login above.

What planet do we live on?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Napolitano Gaffe
    By mad1 in forum DebateIMO: Politics, Religion, Controversy
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: July 20th, 2010, 10:08 AM
  2. Judge Napolitano to Nader: Bush & Cheney Should Be Indicted
    By SiliconJon in forum DebateIMO: Politics, Religion, Controversy
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: July 19th, 2010, 11:28 AM
  3. Our Russian Spy Ring... "Every Spy Story Needs a Natasha"
    By Chuckiechan in forum DebateIMO: Politics, Religion, Controversy
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: July 10th, 2010, 12:13 PM
  4. Yes, for only $26 you can control a Predator drone.
    By no1_vern in forum IMO Community
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: December 17th, 2009, 01:29 PM
  5. Iraq Government Sacks Saddam's Genocide Judge
    By Theophylact in forum IMO Community
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: September 21st, 2006, 12:11 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Copyright 2014 All Enthusiast, Inc