Does God Hate Gays?

[Epidemic]

As a hetersexual you can see a pretty woman, Marry her, enjoy her company as a couple and enjoy the sexual pleasures.

As a Gay you can see a pretty dude, not marry him, enjoy his company as a couple and not ever enjoy sexual pleasures.

Essentually you are saying that a god who is "love" Would create someone saddle them with desires to be happy and never allow them to act on those desires.

Demanding Celibacy, and lack of companionship rule their lives. Oh and to boot you really want them to feel guilty about their feelings.

[sharder8]

While God says homosexuality is an abomination . . . I don't think he hates anyone.

Just like most people Epi . . . there's people we may not like, but do we hate them? (I don't!)


Harder

[Theophylact]

You should read what Fred Clark says about Acts 10-11.

[Chuckiechan]

I would say "no", but there are certain types of conduct that are forbidden.

[zen]

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Isaiah 55:8-9


And thank goodness for that.

[Epidemic]

While God says homosexuality is an abomination . . . I don't think he hates anyone.

Just like most people Epi . . . there's people we may not like, but do we hate them? (I don't!)


Harder

I would call it hate when you punish someone for all eternity for following their natural proclivity.

[mossfoul]

If he hates gays, he must hate heterosexual women too.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

[Epidemic]

If he hates gay, he must hate heterosexual women too.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

yeah we know in the old testament he had a little problem with women but apparently he had a change of heart as all omnipotent superbeings do later in life

[de_day]

I would call it hate when you punish someone for all eternity for following their natural proclivity.

It's not a natural proclivity. God made man.. and then he made woman to be with man. He instituted marriage to be the path through which sexual gratification (for both sexes) is to be found. When he mentions homosexuality in the Bible, it's written like this:

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:26-27

Man is a sinful being, but I don't believe that God created us to be a sinner. Just like every other sin, it is a choice. God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. He gave his Son to save us all, but it's our choice to obey.

[Epidemic]

Get off this god gave his son to for the sins of man. For an infinte being who has the powers of an omnipotent being, Giving up his life would be as serious a problem as me getting brain freeze on purpose. When you have absolute knowledge and absolute power you can't sacrifice anything genuinely.

So it is the bibles and your opinion that gay people choose to be gay. they choose who to be attracted sexually people of the same gender for all the benefits they receive in society from this choice. They choose to be gay to receive redicule, risk death, and risk their eternal soul to to to to what exactly. What is in it for the gay?

Hell I might even buy it if gay was a modern concept, but being that it is not throught out history being gay was far from a perk for the homo.

Now you might luck out and score a spot on a reality TV show but beyond that being gay seems to come with mostly negatives with the exeption of you genuinely feeling attraction to the same sex.

[thephilosophizer]

Seems like a different question to me. Because if we ask if God hates gays, and then reference the bible as evidence, we first have to accepting the bible as the literal word of God. But, as we all know, accepting a literal interpretation of the bible is problematic for a whole host of reasons. Contradictions, slavery, polygamy, one can go on.
So assuming one does not accept a literal interpretation of the bible, and that many components of the bible have been reinterpreted over time (or otherwise ignored), it seems fit to say that if God is a just god, and intends for man to be able to live a happy life (accepting as true that there is no choice to be gay), then God doesn't give two hoots about homosexuality.
No, I think it's pretty clear that bigots and morons hate gays, and that's about it.

[Epidemic]

I don't know how one gets to pick and choose what direct statements in the bible to ignore?

I mean we are not talking about the fig tree allegory.

It is one of the more direct facts in the bible and not subject to much interpretation.

[Beemer]

Anyone that answers yes or no needs to be under observation.

"he instituted marriage..." What a crock de-day. If you make claims like that expect to be challenged.

All you god bots would be better off making statements that aren't to be taken as a truth or claimed as a truth unless you have a little evidence to back up your version of a god exists.

I think everyone should read this article first that does a basic history of marriage through the ages and cultures or you may look silly as de-day just did.

Go find the challenge de-day.
How marriage has changed over centuries - The Week

[sharder8]

Anyone that answers yes or no needs to be under observation.

"he instituted marriage..." What a crock de-day. If you make claims like that expect to be challenged.

All you god bots would be better off making statements that aren't to be taken as a truth or claimed as a truth unless you have a little evidence to back up your version of a god exists.

I think everyone should read this article first that does a basic history of marriage through the ages and cultures or you may look silly as de-day just did.

Go find the challenge de-day.
How marriage has changed over centuries - The Week

You have your beliefs or lack of and some of us have ours!

If you can't respect others over their beliefs, why should we respect yours Beemer?

If you want your opinions to be respected by others . . . try respecting theirs.




Harder

[Beemer]

When their beliefs are built upon superstition and they present them as fact they have crossed a line. I don't have to respect the belief especially on a debate forum.

[sharder8]

And no one here has to respect you and your failure to understand human nature.

So tell ya' what . . . why don't you butt out and slink back into your little corner of the world and mind your own business!

You seem to have nothing to contribute to the discussion . . . Buzz off!


Harder

[thephilosophizer]

You have your beliefs or lack of and some of us have ours!

If you can't respect others over their beliefs, why should we respect yours Beemer?

If you want your opinions to be respected by others . . . try respecting theirs.




Harder

Yes, we must respect others beliefs, except when those beliefs infringe on one's ability to lead a happy life. Insofar as marginalizing homosexuals denies them equal rights, I must then argue that the position of those whom would deny equality to others, is nothing short of reprehensible.
There is no err in believing that God doesn't like gays. The err is when that belief becomes justification for oppression.

[thephilosophizer]

I don't know how one gets to pick and choose what direct statements in the bible to ignore?

I mean we are not talking about the fig tree allegory.

It is one of the more direct facts in the bible and not subject to much interpretation.

The response is simply that all of the bible is subject to interpretation. The bible denies the laws of physics, is self contradictory, and wasn't written until centuries after the death of Christ.
Yes the bible may be more consistent on some things than others, but indeed the bible espouses many practices considered taboo today, hence the earlier reference to slavery and polygamy (don't really have the energy for anything better at the time).
So yes, the biblical God hates gays, and women, and non-Christians, etc. But the argument that the bible is justification for the oppression of some versus others is weak at best, and given our great history as a nation that stands to defend freedom and liberty, treasonous at the worst.

[JEROY]

Like some mentioned , to justify the Bible regulations and laws to follow , you have to verify and prove the God's existence ... That is a simple logic and a true statement .
Apart from that , I can say that this is the most debatable non endless , with no conclusion discussion ever ...

As for my personal conviction , Yes , there is a God , there are rules to follow , and it's up to you to decide if you want to live forever or not , like once freddy Mercury mentioned ..

[pickel]

I was taught that we were made in God's Image and Likeness.

He created them.....


So, is God Gay ?????????