Young illegal immigrants’ amnesty could tighten competition for jobs, college

**pickel** · June 15th, 2012, 10:51 PM

Young illegal immigrants’ amnesty could tighten competition for jobs, college - The Washington Post

But opponents of illegal immigration warned that the policy could create significant new competition for jobs and university slots at a time of nationwide recession and numerous states’ efforts to curb public spending.

“I see a tidal wave coming,” said Brad Botwin, president of Help Save Maryland, a group that opposes legalization for undocumented immigrants. “Half of our college graduates today can’t find jobs, and the unemployment rate for high-school-aged Americans is extremely high. This is unfair to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants who are out there struggling to get ahead.”

Instead of voting for a candidate, I wish that my vote would nullify another's vote, reducing the overall total for said candidate. Then , I'd feel like true expression had been exercised.

**sharder8** · June 15th, 2012, 11:42 PM

Hell pickel . . . you ought to know that while employment opportunities are tough for HS and college grads, it's even worse for those 55+. Even the Labor Department has recognized that if you're 55+ and un-employed, your chances of finding employment is almost 0.

“It doesn’t seem the administration is considering the cascading consequences,” Camarota said. “What does this mean for unemployed Americans who will be competing for jobs with a million-plus people who can now apply for work authorization? Is this really a good idea?”

Don't forget the military reductions and all the troops coming home and looking for work to support their families as well. This is getting scarier by the minute.

Yeah, I'm un-employed now . . . 70% disabled and have medical limitations. REAL NICE job market out there for me. Then again, I filed for Unemployment and SSDI the same day. Hopefully Unemployment will allow me to survive until I get SSDI.

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**tony_j15** · June 16th, 2012, 12:40 AM

This whole subject is logically flawed. Obviously, if the people are already here, it means they are already employed and some already go to school. The very first person interviewed in the WP article is a college student.

Claiming there will be "significant competition" is false.

**sharder8** · June 16th, 2012, 12:58 AM

Give it 6 months to a year tony and you'll see if it's false or not.

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**tony_j15** · June 16th, 2012, 11:20 AM

Let's use our brains here, whatsay? What have people been yammering about for years? That all them durn immigrants have been tookin our jerbs!

So how is it possible for this situation to be new or different? Again, these people are already here. Again, they already have jobs. Again, they already attend school. Again, some are even in our military. The only thing that can possibly change is that they will actually be counted instead of working off the books, so our employment data might finally balance out now. Hell, we might even make a bit more tax revenue.

**Chuckiechan** · June 16th, 2012, 11:35 AM

First of all they cannot legally work without a social security number. If they have one, it is stolen or fake.

You cannot join the military unless you are a citizen.

When they complete school, they have to steal an identity like mom and dad to work. He has also instituted "catch and release" at the border - essentially an open border policy. Just last year he admitted he didn't have the authority to do that - "It was congresses job". Now to boost his falling numbers, it's suddenly OK?

BTW, what ever happened to the liberals howling about the "Imperial Presidency" under Bush? Obama is lawless, and has told congress to shove it.

BTW - are you hearing about the petulant reporter who "heckled" the president? His question:

The president was briefly interrupted by a reporter who asked: "Mr. President, why do you favor foreign workers over Americans?"

Obama sternly told the reporter – identified as Neil Munro of The Daily Caller – not to interrupt.

“Excuse me, sir, but it’s not time for questions," Obama responded.

“Are you going to take questions?” Munro asked.

“Not while I’m speaking.” Obama said.

Sounds like Obama is paying back organized labor for his thumping in Wisconsin!

**tony_j15** · June 16th, 2012, 12:52 PM

So your plan is? Take a bunch of kids who we've already spent millions through tax dollars to educate and who are already in the workplace and just kick them out? Kids who had no choice to come over? Kids who are now more or less integrated into America?

**pickel** · June 16th, 2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by tony_j15

So your plan is? Take a bunch of kids who we've already spent millions through tax dollars to educate and who are already in the workplace and just kick them out? Kids who had no choice to come over? Kids who are now more or less integrated into America?

Tony: Food for thought...

Don't you think that thousands or ,even, millions of illegals will come over , across the border and claim to have been here all along with the help of illegal parents ?? If , nothing else, the confusion and mayhem this will cause the immigration authorities and the State and Local Governments. Looks like Obombma has the Feds bamboozled.
Barry should change his middle name from Hussein to Jose.

**sharder8** · June 16th, 2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

You cannot join the military unless you are a citizen.

Not true! You do not have to be an American citizen to join the military. You can not hold a security clearance unless you are a citizen (even that is not entirely true), but there are many positions in the military that you can hold. You must be an American Citizen to be an Officer, but there are also exemptions to this.

For years, one way to citizenship was by serving in the military, unfortunately, that has not always been equally applied or the steps followed through with.

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**Theophylact** · June 16th, 2012, 03:48 PM

Note that this action doesn't make them citizens, and it doesn't make them legal immigrants. It merely stops deporting them without cause if they haven't committed crimes and if they've taken steps to better themselves through education or military service. They're still subject to deportation if they fuck up, and their job permits are good for only two years (renewable, but it's not like having a green card).

What it does do is make them free from arbitrary mistreatment by employers who hold deportation over their heads if they ask for the legal rights that any employee is entitled to: safe working conditions, pay for work performed, and freedom from harassment.

**pickel** · June 16th, 2012, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Theophylact

What it does do is make them free from arbitrary mistreatment by employers who hold deportation over their heads if they ask for the legal rights that any employee is entitled to: safe working conditions, pay for work performed, and freedom from harassment.

What this does , ALSO, is make jobs more scarce for American workers and lower the pay standard for the rest. And, if you think the Feds will monitor the working conditions of these people, you have no concept of reality.
It's all for the VOTES and, I foresee, many added to the Sweat Shops with many of our own citizens losing their livelihood and sinking deeper in the depression we are now experiencing .

**Chuckiechan** · June 16th, 2012, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by sharder8

Not true! You do not have to be an American citizen to join the military. You can not hold a security clearance unless you are a citizen (even that is not entirely true), but there are many positions in the military that you can hold. You must be an American Citizen to be an Officer, but there are also exemptions to this.

For years, one way to citizenship was by serving in the military, unfortunately, that has not always been equally applied or the steps followed through with.

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You got PM

The worst thing about this whole thing is it is so blatantly political. I do expect Obama now to promise to legalize marijuana and forgive student loans if we wins another term. Up until now, I wouldn't have expected him to have such chutzpah!

**sharder8** · June 16th, 2012, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

You got PM

The worst thing about this whole thing is it is so blatantly political. I do expect Obama now to promise to legalize marijuana and forgive student loans if we wins another term. Up until now, I wouldn't have expected him to have such chutzpah!

YGPM back!

**tony_j15** · June 16th, 2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

What this does , ALSO, is make jobs more scarce for American workers and lower the pay standard for the rest.

You aren't thinking this through. These people are already here, already have jobs, already go to school, and already are enrolled in the military.
Since they are already here earning a living (I'm not hearing of starvation deaths of immigrants, are you?) then they already have jobs.

So how the hell does someone who already has a job make jobs more scarce simply because the President says they can't be deported without cause?

And since they can't be deported merely for having been brought here at some point, it means some won't be forced to accept pay under the table anymore which means they can demand higher wages (or at least minimum. There are many documented cases of wage abuse).

Put simply, not only are you dead wrong, but the opposite of what you claim will happen is the truth.

**pickel** · June 16th, 2012, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by tony_j15

You aren't thinking this through. These people are already here, already have jobs, already go to school, and already are enrolled in the military.
Since they are already here earning a living (I'm not hearing of starvation deaths of immigrants, are you?) then they already have jobs.

So how the hell does someone who already has a job make jobs more scarce simply because the President says they can't be deported without cause?

And since they can't be deported merely for having been brought here at some point, it means some won't be forced to accept pay under the table anymore which means they can demand higher wages (or at least minimum. There are many documented cases of wage abuse).

Put simply, not only are you dead wrong, but the opposite of what you claim will happen is the truth.

Didn't you read this post ???

Originally Posted by pickel

Tony: Food for thought...

Don't you think that thousands or ,even, millions of illegals will come over , across the border and claim to have been here all along with the help of illegal parents ?? If , nothing else, the confusion and mayhem this will cause the immigration authorities and the State and Local Governments. Looks like Obombma has the Feds bamboozled.
Barry should change his middle name from Hussein to Jose.