Transparent Obama Admin. Witholding Documents

[mad1]

Rep. Darrell Issa pressed ahead with a committee vote Wednesday to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, despite an eleventh-hour move by President Obama to assert executive privilege over the Fast and Furious documents at the heart of the dispute.

Issa pushes ahead with Holder contempt vote despite Obama intervention | Fox News

Obamagate V2.0, full steam ahead with its version of transparency

[Whir]

Please dude, like any other administration has never purposely mislead the public by saying one thing and doing another.

This is politics, it's not limited to Obama or any other president before him.

[mad1]

Please dude, like any other administration has never purposely mislead the public by saying one thing and doing another.

This is politics, it's not limited to Obama or any other president before him.

Don't look what Obama is doing, everyone else did the same thing.

If Bush did this you would be jumping up and down screaming.

[Whir]

No. I would have said the same thing I just said. I am not a democrat, I actually use my brain.

[tony_j15]

Love it.

[sharder8]

No. I would have said the same thing I just said. I am not a democrat, I actually use my brain.

Now if we could get Republicans to use their brain . . .




Harder

[Whir]

No doubt. Brains are in short supply in the general US population.

[Chuckiechan]

This is about a border agent losing his life to an assault rifle who's transport into criminal hands was orchestrated by the Justice Department, and now they are stonewalling.

And what is not being talked about enough is the purpose of the program. I suspect it is not being talked about much so as not to raise "gun" issues. This program was a scam to lay blame of firearms going to Mexico from the USA to the cartels, and then use that as a reason to clamp down on gun sales in general.

This isn't about outing Valerie Plame, or firing travel agents.

[Theophylact]

Give it up. This was a Bush administration program that was never run with proper oversight, and you're trying to lay it at Holder's feet. Nice try, but no cigar.

[sharder8]

Give it up. This was a Bush administration program that was never run with proper oversight, and you're trying to lay it at Holder's feet. Nice try, but no cigar.

That's right Theo . . . typical blame Bush BULLSHIT!!!

Your buddy had the opportunity to kill the program as soon as he learned about it . . . BUT, DIDN'T! Instead, he continued the program and tried to hide it. That's why the Obama "Executive Privilege" card was played, in order to "protect" both Holder and Obama.

Concocted by Bush, adopted and enhanced by Obama, defended by Theo!


Harder

[Whir]

I bet if you guys post more vitriol, the president will totally back down and/or resign. Give it a try!

/troll

[pickel]

No doubt. Brains are in short supply in the general US population.

Especially those who have the capability of being able to VOTE !!!

But , then again, we're not given much of a choice, are we ????? !!!!!!!!!!!

[MTAtech]

Transparent Obama Admin. Witholding Documents

Holder has already given up 7,600 documents on the matter but refuses to make internal documents that would compromise ongoing cases. That sounds reasonable to me.

What is unreasonable is the obvious witch hunt. While this was a program started in 2006 by the former Administration, Issa's committee has neglected to call a single member of the Bush team to testify.

All of this has little to do with finding out information than it does with trying to tarnish Mr. Holder's reputation and reflect upon Mr. Obama.

[MTAtech]

This is about a border agent losing his life to an assault rifle who's transport into criminal hands was orchestrated by the Justice Department, and now they are stonewalling.

And what is not being talked about enough is the purpose of the program. I suspect it is not being talked about much so as not to raise "gun" issues. This program was a scam to lay blame of firearms going to Mexico from the USA to the cartels, and then use that as a reason to clamp down on gun sales in general.

This isn't about outing Valerie Plame, or firing travel agents.

The program was started in 2006 by the pro-gun Bush Admin. The program's basics was to get gun dealers who were believed to be shady to sell guns to agents who let be known that they were going to Mexico.

Mexico gave assurances that once the guns crossed the border and changed hands, Mexican agents would arrest the recipients of the guns. As Gomer would say, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE! That didn't happen and the guns were transferred to the cartels.

[mad1]

Holder has already given up 7,600 documents on the matter but refuses to make internal documents that would compromise ongoing cases. That sounds reasonable to me.

What is unreasonable is the obvious witch hunt. While this was a program started in 2006 by the former Administration, Issa's committee has neglected to call a single member of the Bush team to testify.

All of this has little to do with finding out information than it does with trying to tarnish Mr. Holder's reputation and reflect upon Mr. Obama.

The Issa aides believe that a few hundred pages of documents may satisfy them, providing that those records tell the story of how the Justice Department came to understand that it gave Congress false information on Feb. 4, 2011. The department said then that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives made every effort to interdict weapons moving from Arizona to Mexico.

More than 10 months later, the department retracted that statement after it became clear that the guns were not intercepted but allowed to "walk" to Mexico in hopes that officials could track them to drug lords. The most tragic occurrence in the flawed operation came when agents in Arizona lost track of several hundred weapons, and two of the guns that "walked" were found at the scene of the slaying of U.S. border agent Brian Terry.

The flaws were exposed by whistle-blowers who contacted Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.

On Tuesday, Holder offered to give lawmakers a briefing on the withheld documents but insisted that this action satisfy Issa's subpoena for the records and negate the need for a committee contempt vote. Issa rejected the offer, saying it was an attempt to force an end to the committee's investigation.

AP sources: GOP open to talks before contempt vote | nj.com

Holder turned over a bunch of nothing.

[Chuckiechan]

Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious | WashingtonExaminer.com

In a second major retraction over its version of the the gun-walking scandal, the Justice Department has retracted Attorney General Eric Holder's charge in a hearing last week that his Bush administration predecessor had been briefed on the affair.

In a memo just released by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the Iowa senator reveals that Holder also didn't apologize to former Attorney General Michael Mukasey for dragging him into the Fast & Furious scandal that is headed for a major legal clash and likely contempt of Congress charge against Holder.

According to Grassley's memo, Justice said that Holder "inadvertently" made the charge against Mukasey in a hearing.

Bush's program caught straw buyers within the borders of the USA, and did not let guns "walk" across the border. They were two different operations. Bush halted guns at the border, Holder wanted to trace them across the border hoping to go higher up the criminal ladder.

Gunrunner vs Fast & Furious: An overview to separate fact from fiction » The Right Scoop -

[Epidemic]

so you are saying that we can't blame it on Bush. Well at least no one can say that Obama administration didn't try. Hey Holder you keep throwing them lies out there maybe one will stick.

I have not followed the investigation, I don't know if this is just politcal tripe but I do find it interesting to watch the dance.

Turning over 7900 documents means little if you don't turn over the key ones. I understand the whole compromising investigations thing but are all the the documents being witheld a security risk to investigations?

[mad1]

The program was started in 2006 by the pro-gun Bush Admin. The program's basics was to get gun dealers who were believed to be shady to sell guns to agents who let be known that they were going to Mexico.

Mexico gave assurances that once the guns crossed the border and changed hands, Mexican agents would arrest the recipients of the guns. As Gomer would say, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE! That didn't happen and the guns were transferred to the cartels.

Operation Fast and Furious was a program carried out by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), a division of the U.S. Justice Department.

In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 and continued into early 2011, the federal government purposefully allowed known or suspected gun smugglers to purchase guns at federally licensed firearms dealers in Arizona. The government did not seek to abort these gun purchases, intercept the smugglers after the purchases, or recover the guns they had purchased.

Gun-Running Timeline: How DOJ’s ‘Operation Fast and Furious’ Unfolded | CNSNews.com

2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][28][29] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[30] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3]

The strategy of targeting high-level individuals, which was already ATF policy, would be implemented by Bill Newell, special agent in charge of ATF's Phoenix field division. In order to accomplish it, the office decided to use "gunwalking" as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force.[3] However, long-standing DOJ and ATF policy has required arms shipments to be intercepted.[4][5]

In November 2009, the Phoenix office's Group VII, which would be the lead investigative group in Fast and Furious, began to follow a prolific gun trafficker. He had bought 34 firearms in 24 days, and he and his associates bought 212 more in the next month. The case soon grew to over two dozen straw purchasers, the most prolific of which would ultimately buy more than 600 weapons

ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia