Bullied Bus monitor?

[Epidemic]

$645,000 for what?

I found the video as offensive as the next guy but why the hell does this woman deserve hundreds of thousands of dollars?

What I see in the youtube video is the obvious, disgusting activities of the kids taunting this lady, but what is less obvious is her role on the bus. She is the bus monitor, and aparently an overpaid bus monitor. She is supposed to monitor the activities of the little brats and keep control.

Why waste 15,000 dollars on a bus monitor if she does nothing but sit there and accept bad behavior. I don't know what Greece, NY's school system lets her do, but I know our un-monitored busses in NC will turn around and drop the kids off at the school if things get out of hand and then the principle takes care of the situation.

The woman said things like she was happy the video got out there so that people could see what goes on and that she normally ignores the ridicule. Yeah there is a valuable school expenditure. An old woman riding the bus daily and doing nothing.

I feel bad for the abuse she endured but should we give money to all bullied people. Who is better able to deal with the taunting of 7th graders, the 68 year old bus monitor paid to control the kids or the 7th grader abused by his peers.

I have also heard the parents berated over this, I don't know what to say about the parents. So far they seem to have done the right thing, punishing their kids forcing apologies. Kids can be horribly cruel and one snotty kid getting away with things will likely result in others following suit in a group think mentality.


I would think the way this should have unfolded is the monitor should have taken names and reported the kids, who would be banned from the bus for a time, possibly suspension. Alternative 2 take the kids back to the school, unload the brats with the principle and ban them from the bus for a period have parents pick them up and talk to the principle.

If I was going to give this woman anything it would have been a pinkslip or a warning to step up her game. We don't need her weight soaking up fuel and adding to green house gasses.

that of course assumes that Greece does not have a policy where they employ bus monitors whose sole purpose is to just sit there. It also assumes that the school has not ignored her complaints about kids thereby rendering her impotent in her role.


wouldn't it be nice if that 645,000 dollars went to a worthy cause like a kid who needs a liver transplant.

[Steve R Jones]

Well...many people that actually have a HEART, thought it'd be nice to help her retire.

Sorry it's been so hard on you to read the story.

[Epidemic]

retiring would be a nice thing for the school system. Perhaps they can get someone competent to do the job.

I did not know the schools system was a charity for bad bus monitors.

I have a heart, I just do not see how this woman deserves hundreds of thousands of dollars for 7th graders picking on her with prepubescent taunts.


If a little snot nosed kid were to be pick on me I would first consider the source and second as an autority figure in this situation I would take action in keeping with school guidelines.

If the school demanded she not take action then I am all for compensation for hostile work environment.

I know you can't decide what makes you feel bad but she was in a postion to change things in fact it would appear to be her specific job. So I have empathy for her feelings but I have not respect for her actions or her job performance.





She said that she would be willing to continue doing her job on another bus route. Yeah getting paid 15,000 dollars a year for a couple hours sitting on a bus full of good kids is not a bad gig? Perhaps with her new route she will end up getting paid for absolutely nothing. At least on the bad kid bus she was being paid for anguish.

[tony_j15]

And you want her to do what? Beat the kids? Scream at them? What are your criteria for determining competency?

[Steve R Jones]

Actually, the money is for "the vacation of a lifetime."

Epi, this is just one of those deals that you either get or you don't get.

She was a victim slash poster child for all that is wrong in America and America’s spoiled rotten brat kids.

Haven't you seen other articles about bullying? Do you teach your kids on the proper methods of being an effective bully?... As in how to do it and not get caught?

40 years ago when I was a teenager - I would have been beaten to death by my parents if I had done something like what these kids did.

[SoloCamo]

So shes not competent now because she didn't do what you ASSUME is correct policy? Sorry man, yours words are those of jealousy because people have decides to help her out for what you ASSUME is a poor job.

You do not know the policy, and neither do I. But I do know one thing, taking any sort of action when cameras and kids are involved usually involves the adult being let go/suspended due to the "fragile" children, or worse, if she did what they deserved and slapped them, would have had lawsuits against her quicker than she could blink.


So yes, she deserves the good charity of people who are willing to help her out.


And on that note, personally if I was the parent of those children I would be too ashamed to show my face in public and move. The school should expel them in my opinion as well - no respect for someone doing no harm and to someone who is elder and cannot retaliate is a no go in my book No recovering from that crap and I'm hoping the father figure in each of their liveslays a good whooping on them all.

But hey, I'm just a believe in respect where it is due and proper punishment when needed.

P.S. - you may have a heart, but make sure it's still beating

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40 years ago when I was a teenager - I would have been beaten to death by my parents if I had done something like what these kids did.

I was officially a teenager (well, 18) six years ago and I'm even more than appalled with what is hapenning with this upcoming generation. I was appalled at my own generation growing up knowing well that respect was declining and PC policies would only get worse.

And look at the situation it has brought us! Crap like this goes on all the time with no repurcussions accept a slap on the wrist, or taking a precious cell phone (that they dont pay for nor deserve at that age) away for a day or two!

You know it's a serious problem when someone under 25 has been saying this crap for years!

[Epidemic]

So shes not competent now because she didn't do what you ASSUME is correct policy? Sorry man, yours words are those of jealousy because people have decides to help her out for what you ASSUME is a poor job.

You do not know the policy, and neither do I. But I do know one thing, taking any sort of action when cameras and kids are involved usually involves the adult being let go/suspended due to the "fragile" children, or worse, if she did what they deserved and slapped them, would have had lawsuits against her quicker than she could blink.


So yes, she deserves the good charity of people who are willing to help her out.


And on that note, personally if I was the parent of those children I would be too ashamed to show my face in public and move. The school should expel them in my opinion as well - no respect for someone doing no harm and to someone who is elder and cannot retaliate is a no go in my book No recovering from that crap and I'm hoping the father figure in each of their liveslays a good whooping on them all.

But hey, I'm just a believe in respect where it is due and proper punishment when needed.

P.S. - you may have a heart, but make sure it's still beating

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I was officially a teenager (well, 18) six years ago and I'm even more than appalled with what is hapenning with this upcoming generation. I was appalled at my own generation growing up knowing well that respect was declining and PC policies would only get worse.

And look at the situation it has brought us! Crap like this goes on all the time with no repurcussions accept a slap on the wrist, or taking a precious cell phone (that they dont pay for nor deserve at that age) away for a day or two!

You know it's a serious problem when someone under 25 has been saying this crap for years!

You are right I do not know what the school policy is, and my words to make allowance for that. If the schools system puts her on the bus to simply sit there and not take action then that is a hostile work environment and deserves compensation.

I do not know what actions she took. But the video and what has been in the news is all I have to go on at this point. From what I have seen it would appear as if this is a do nothing position or she is doing a poor job of it.

If you saw a school principle wittness bullying, or if a teacher allowed his students to curse, sas, and misbehave and not taking actions would you question their job performance?

But hey, I'm just a believe in respect where it is due and proper punishment when needed.

Trust me I am all about the proper punishment of the kids. But I think the video brings to light not only kids acting in an unacceptable manner, but, a person (apparently) tasked with maintaining order who does not even attempt to do so. (her own words, "~I usually ignore it when they do it.") implying that she has allowed this to occur many times.

in fact she may be somewhat responsible for the escallation wittnessed on the video through inaction enabling the kids to act with impunity.

Tony,

No, I do not recommend she scream at the kids nor beat them. However, a stern warning of consequences would be appropriate. Assuming that there are consequences to be levied???


I guess the question all comes down to what is a bus monitor being paid 15,000 dollars per year for? From the video once again I can see only two likely conclusions either the job is completely toothless and does not need to exist or she is not doing it.

[tony_j15]

No, I do not recommend she scream at the kids nor beat them. However, a stern warning of consequences would be appropriate. Assuming that there are consequences to be levied???

Your article answered that question.

Since school is out for the summer, the boys’ punishment is currently being determined by school administrators and will be applied in the fall.

[Epidemic]

Your article answered that question.

I believe that that is a byproduct of the youtube video not the bus monitors actions.

To date I have not heard anything that would indicate she took greater action than ignoring.

[brandon184]

I found the video as offensive as the next guy but why the hell does this woman deserve hundreds of thousands of dollars?

In this case of private individuals donating their own money to another private individual, I don't see how it's any of Epidemic's business what the details, context or rationale of the transactions were.

I like how in the case of big banks negotiating bonuses with their employees, resident TechIMO conservatives waste no time in piping up about how it's a private transaction and therefore no one's business. But in the case of a grandmother being bullied by a mob of children, suddenly they want a full accounting of the situation to determine whether or not she "deserves" the money.

[paul9]

What I see in the youtube video is the obvious, disgusting activities of the kids taunting this lady,...

...I feel bad for the abuse she endured but should we give money to all bullied people...

If I was going to give this woman anything it would have been a pinkslip or a warning to step up her game. We don't need her weight soaking up fuel and adding to green house gasses.

It appears you are full of crap, as it seems you just sit there and add to the bullying.

[Theophylact]

Hey, we already knew that Epidemic is missing an organ of empathy. Damned if I know why he's so proud of that.

[Epidemic]

Theo,

Perhaps you simply have misplaced empathy.

I have plenty of empathy for the deserving. Why do you have empathy for someone who is possibly/probably is allowing the very situation that she is tasked with preventing?

Would you let a bunch of prepubescent kids misbehaving ruin your day? You might get upset that they called you a grey haired old ninny but you would go to the principle, and exercise your authority as the monitor to see that the situation was corrected.

Once again assuming as Bus Monitor, that she is tasked with monitoring the bus and mainitaining order. Then I find her statement that she normally ignores the taunts implies she is not doing her job. I could be wrong.

As for being a bully myself. I think I leave enough room in my statements for a rebuttle on her part. If by calling someone out for not doing their jobs on an anonymous site is bullying then I guess Theo, MTA, Tony... are all guilty of same. Poor Bush was not doing his job and you guys called him out on it How can you lack the empathy to understand what demons were driving him?


I have empathy for the woman on this bus, from a personal position. She should not have had to go through this ideally. But the world is full of snot nosed bratty kids and those attempting to fit in sometimes caving in to peer pressure. This is not anywhere near the worst such event nor the most deserving of candidates for reward.

The school should and is taking action against the brats. I fully believe those kids should be punished for their actions. But hundreds of thousands of people sending money to such an unworthy cause in such extravagant ways blows my mind.

I do not say that people are not allowed to give her money they are free to waste their money where they see fit. But there are many more worthy recipients out there.

Who is more deserving of this money this woman doing her job poorly taunted by a couple of kids or the honor roll kid needing a heart transplant. The family who just lost dad to a drunk driver who are about to lose their house or this lady.

The guy who died in the car wreck could not do anything to stop it and this lady assumably had the power to control her situation.


God if my son can collect on some of the picking on events that he has been through. Being only 12 he does not have nearly the tools this lady does so his ability to cope with it is far worse than hers.

[Whir]

All I hear is "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah."

Obviously you're free to feel how you want, Epi, but nothing you do or say is going to change what's going on and how other people feel. So don't you have anything better to do? I'm really sure you can find something. Volunteer at a charity. Walk the dog. Polish your handguns. Clean the bathroom. Just about anything would be more productive.

[Epidemic]

In this case of private individuals donating their own money to another private individual, I don't see how it's any of Epidemic's business what the details, context or rationale of the transactions were.

I like how in the case of big banks negotiating bonuses with their employees, resident TechIMO conservatives waste no time in piping up about how it's a private transaction and therefore no one's business. But in the case of a grandmother being bullied by a mob of children, suddenly they want a full accounting of the situation to determine whether or not she "deserves" the money.

I agree it is not my business what is done in this situation with the funds donated to this lady. I don't see where I have said differently. I am not calling for a government investigation. I am just curious as to why people are so all fired up ready to give this lady money. When to me it appears as if she is not doing her job, that the injuries suffered from these kids was far less deserving of recompense than others in life.

People you can spend your money where you want but I personally feel this woman does not deserve it based upon my observations.

To this womans credit, she did not bring charges against the school system, she did not ask for the attention nor the money. This is a grass roots thing that I thing. I would just like to understand the donors and your take on it.

Why do you believe she is deserving of the money? Do you think there is evidence of her not doing her job properly? How much windfall do you think she should receive from this situation? I have clearly stated my views and all I get is bullying from you guys.

[Epidemic]

All I hear is "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah."

Obviously you're free to feel how you want, Epi, but nothing you do or say is going to change what's going on and how other people feel. So don't you have anything better to do? I'm really sure you can find something. Volunteer at a charity. Walk the dog. Polish your handguns. Clean the bathroom. Just about anything would be more productive.

That goes for just about everything said in the IMO section

[Whir]

Absolutely true, and this isn't the first time I've said!

[azher91]

only in the United States of America.. even still in Bahrain, if a kid does something like, he gets his ass whopped by his parents, i would not put my money on the lady so she could have a vacation, besides she knew what was coming to her when she applied for this job

Things are getting changed around the western side of the world.

[brandon184]

I am just curious as to why people are so all fired up ready to give this lady money. When to me it appears as if she is not doing her job, that the injuries suffered from these kids was far less deserving of recompense than others in life.

I'm guessing that people gave money because it made them sad to see an elderly woman being tormented to such an unacceptable degree by misbehaving children. It probably sparked anger that a woman that age in our society has to work in an abusive environment to scratch out a living. So when an opportunity arises for these people to give this woman a small amount of money, they jumped at the opportunity because it made them feel better. They were able to be a part of turning a terrible story into one with a happier ending. And that is entirely their right to do so. There is nothing unreasonable about giving a perfect stranger $20. You just seem to have a chip on your shoulder that in this case, those small donations added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

People you can spend your money where you want but I personally feel this woman does not deserve it based upon my observations.

Who cares if she "deserves" it? And who are you to judge that? Again, these are private gift donations.

Why do you believe she is deserving of the money?

That's up to individual donors to decide.

Do you think there is evidence of her not doing her job properly?

I doubt these donations have anything to do with her donations. People felt bad for her situation so they decided to donate. Your position here is like saying that Person X isn't deserving of lottery winnings because they aren't a hard worker.

How much windfall do you think she should receive from this situation?

I think she should get as much as people are willing to give her. Why not be happy for her instead of having a chip on your shoulder over it?

[Epidemic]

only in the United States of America.. even still in Bahrain, if a kid does something like, he gets his ass whopped by his parents, i would not put my money on the lady so she could have a vacation, besides she knew what was coming to her when she applied for this job

Things are getting changed around the western side of the world.

I am all for the ass whopping of the little brats.




Brandon,

I guess you are right, people are suckers for a sad story. But before I give my money to someone I try to determine what I am paying for. It is only a couple of bucks and most definitely these kids were not treating their elders with respect. I can also see where it was hurtful. I just am amazed that so many people would donate money to this cause.

She created the environment where this was common place and acceptable behavior. She apparently repeatedly allowed this to happen with no repercussions.

hey more power to her in getting the unsolicited money, she is on easy street but my god why have school bus monitors if this is what they do.

As for the lottery winner. I would most certainly take away any lottery winnings from a person on the dole. But this woman was "earning her wage" people gave her the money of their own free will. I would not take it away from her but I wish peoples benevolence was spent more wisely on someone more worthy.

I would bet if you asked 9 out of 10 of these people to choose between heart patient honor roll student and old lady picked on by hooligans on a bus under her control. The money would have gone to the more worthy cause.