Thread: 5-4 Decision Affirms Obamacare
June 28th, 2012, 01:44 PM #21
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but now that you mention it, Shouldn't I expect a refund in the form of costs coming down. In the end individual premiums must come down as well. With everyone paying in now you must expect more funds available for health care and less costs that hospitals will have to shift to insurred patients.
Even if my premium does not drop, shouldn't I expect costs of health care to drop from a government stand point?
If prices don't come down then where are the savings going? What is the current health care cost as a % of GDP and how much do you expect it to drop?
June 28th, 2012, 01:52 PM #22
June 28th, 2012, 02:30 PM #23Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
June 28th, 2012, 02:37 PM #24
Republicans support Obama's health reforms as long as his name isn't on them - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
The new Reuters-Ipsos poll finds that Obamacare remains deeply unpopular; 56 percent of Americans oppose the law, versus only 44 percent who favor it. The poll also finds that strong majorities of Americans favor the individual provisions in the law -- the hated individual mandate excepted, of course.
Last edited by MTAtech; June 28th, 2012 at 02:44 PM.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
June 28th, 2012, 02:44 PM #25Originally Posted by Tony_j15
Clarence B. Carson
The Power to Tax Is the Power to Destroy
October 1976 • Volume: 26 • Issue: 10 • Print This Post•
Chief Justice John Marshall was at his axiomatic best in the Supreme Court opinion set forth in McCulloch v. Maryland. He propounded several interesting and profound axioms in that decision.
The axioms in question are stated and appealed to in several ways in the course of the opinion. The most direct statement of them is contained in the following clauses: “That the power to tax involves the power to destroy; that the power to destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create….”
The implications of the axioms had already been laid down a few sentences earlier:
1. That a power to create implies a power to preserve.
2. That a power to destroy, if wielded by a different hand, is hostile to, and incompatible with, these powers to create and preserve.
3. That where this repugnancy exists, that authority which is supreme must control, not yield to that over which it is supreme….
The Power to Tax Is the Power to Destroy | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty
There were only three Justices on the Supreme Court at this time and John Marshall , who served for three decades laid the foundation for much of American Constitutional Law.
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June 28th, 2012, 02:48 PM #26
You said the majority was in favor of repeal. That's the same thing, only your request for a link shows you wanted to deny the point Theo made that people favor the individual components.
I gave examples of situations relating to the individual components to clue you in.
You accused me of being melodramatic and trying to collect sympathy, which is completely unrelated to the discussion.
MTA posts the data proving you wrong.
And that's how that went.Good job, friend-of-friends!
June 28th, 2012, 03:03 PM #27
If people don't want "the whole law" as such AND many don't want the law when Obama's name is attached to it, doesn't that argue, as I have, that the President would have been better off if the law had been struck down and he didn't have to run for re-election carrying the burden of it? Then add Roberts swing vote that allows people to call it the "Health Tax Law...the Supreme Court said so".
June 28th, 2012, 03:17 PM #28
June 28th, 2012, 05:03 PM #29
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I didn't post the polling date myself either. It's been widely reported, and I was in a hurry. But since you only read moonbat sources you wouldn't know that, would you?In judging a two-person singing contest, never award the prize to the second soprano having heard only the first.
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June 28th, 2012, 05:56 PM #30
Let me get this straight in order to enlighten myself and overcome my naivety concerning people getting the healthcare they need one way or the other.
I, reckon, I owe everyone one on this board some money, as well as the rest of the citizens of our country. The only reason that I am able to be writing this now, are the monies payed into Medicare which supplied 80% of the cost of dialysis, a kidney transplant and ALL associated costs for the past 10-12 years since my kidneys failed. Take it all out on me for being a leach on your hard earned dollars. What you guys paid to keep me alive is a debt I could never repay , however , when I go, I will send you all a pound of flesh if you could send your addresses in a PM.
With all the money pissed away on fruitless wars and the other make believe projects the crooks in Washington concoct, do not you think that these resources could have been spent to better our country's citizen health ????
Many of those who are the public teat, if they were in good health, could be an asset instead of a detriment. Healthy, happy people contribute instead of being a drag . Healthy people don't have to steal and wind up incarcerated, thus, creating more loss of productivity and cost to the State.
I hope, that in your future, these programs the Government has created are still here when your catastrophic illness hits and the guy at the admitting office doesn't say, while laughing " You're FUCKED" Buddy!!!!!!!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9TN...eature=related
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June 28th, 2012, 06:01 PM #31
June 28th, 2012, 06:09 PM #32
Once the poll takers ask specifics like, "do you favor the ACA's provision that prohibits insurance companies from denying insurance for those with pre-existing conditions, like cancer," people say yes. The same goes for children 26 and under and so forth.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
June 28th, 2012, 07:56 PM #33
There is one situation I believe is rather well recognized if you look at the dificulty within the Democratic Party in getting enough Democrats to vote in favor of the law. This caused an internal division witin the Party and probably resentment at the loss of the House and the seats of Democrats in marginal districts from which the party has not fully recovered.
People's resentment can be both conscious and unconscious and the political capital expanded to get a law passed that did little or nothing to boost the economy at a time of Deep Recession was a political error for a President facing an Election in three short years. At the least, this should have been considered and more pressing legislation should have been attacked first. This was a Second Term Bill -if there is a second term.
June 28th, 2012, 08:02 PM #34
How is it that these supposed legal geniuses in the SCOTUS interpret a mandate to buy private health insurance a tax, and thus Constitutional?
June 28th, 2012, 08:04 PM #35
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June 28th, 2012, 08:04 PM #36
I can't believe the court found this Constitutional. Bunch of monkeys we have working over there. Monkeys!
June 28th, 2012, 08:15 PM #37
Last edited by tony_j15; June 28th, 2012 at 08:18 PM.Good job, friend-of-friends!
June 28th, 2012, 08:55 PM #38They say technology slows down for no one. I know it outruns my wallet. I figure its because my wallet isn't light enough yet.
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