July 24th, 2012, 07:15 PM #1
Question about public/private property and amendment rights
So I've heard that the theater in Aurora had a no guns inside policy.
I'm currently embroiled in an argument about whether or not they have the right to deny a member of the public their right to carry.
My stance is that it is a private establishment and private establishments can impose any rules they like on people who want to use their services.
The opposite is that since the theater is open to the public, they fall under the purview of federal laws and must allow guns on the premises.
July 24th, 2012, 07:38 PM #2
I can only speak for Mississippi.
An establishment has the right to restrict the entrance of firearms into their place of business by exhibiting a sign "No Firearms on Premises" , even with a Firearms Permit.
However , a person who has completes a supplemental Firearms Safety course given by a certified instructor can carry a weapon in ALL places except police stations and prisons and a few other places.
I went through the course last December.
July 24th, 2012, 07:41 PM #3
Interesting. Thanks for the input.
July 24th, 2012, 07:44 PM #4
To clarify, if you have that safety course permit, you can ignore those signs entirely and keep your weapon? Does it have to be concealed or any other ramification?
July 24th, 2012, 07:47 PM #5
I can only answer as a non-attorney and in the state I'm from (NY) but it's my understanding that a business can, with proper notice, stop individuals from bringing objects in that they would otherwise be entitled to. While I can't cite actual case law at the moment (I don't have access to a legal database off hand), there has been cases in New York where business owners have restricted pen/pocket knives that individuals could carry on premises.
I've often heard of such things being disputed, though. Usually they say that it is their legal right to carry such items in general (in public) so that they should be entitled to carry them wherever they please. To my knowledge (and please don't quote me on this), such actions are not successful.
A business or establishment is allowed to setup their own policies in that fashion. It's extremely popular for clubs and bars to do that. But they must post such regulations in clear view when entering so that - by entering - you consent to agree to the rules set forth by the establishment's owners.
Edit: I don't want to give the wrong opinion - firearms are NOT allowed here period and knives over an inch are not allowed either - pen knives, as mentioned above, are knives that fall within the legal limit. So I don't know if they are allowed or not in states that typically do make allowances for carrying firearms whereby a business restricts it, but just giving how it is here and thinking (reasonably speaking) that it would be similar.
Last edited by Interrupt; July 24th, 2012 at 07:54 PM.“Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.” ― Cryptonomicon
July 24th, 2012, 07:53 PM #6
That's is the crux of my argument, mark. Now go find me some proof!
July 24th, 2012, 07:55 PM #7
Haha, get me back on West Law... my plegal program takes that crap away when we graduate. (*Searching free sources online to see if I can find you anything*)“Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.” ― Cryptonomicon
July 24th, 2012, 08:02 PM #8Originally Posted by http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010
Originally Posted by Handgunlaw.us
Why isn't it actually written in the law like that? It could be that there is either case law supporting the notion that made up signs running contrary to the law carry no legal weight or that there is very little case law on the matter so there was no need to specifically write it into the law. But I'd trust that source, it makes sense.
And I think that's about as concrete as you'll get on the matter.
There you go.
Last edited by Interrupt; July 24th, 2012 at 08:14 PM.“Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.” ― Cryptonomicon
July 24th, 2012, 08:06 PM #9
I cannot understand why anyone would want to carry a firearm exposed and have it taken away by group of gang bangers. Advertising you're carrying seems quite hazardous to me.
The first Law of carrying your firearm is protect it and avoid having it taken away. Especially when you think ,you might be the one who gets shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 24th, 2012, 08:15 PM #10
Also, yes, pickel, for definitely.
July 24th, 2012, 08:22 PM #11
Also, Mississippi has carry permit Reciprocity with Colorado .
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July 24th, 2012, 08:27 PM #12
If theaters can ban hand guns they also need to ban the stupid cell phones!
In Colorado we also have the make my day law. Which means I can blow your head apart if you enter my home. I love Colorado!
July 24th, 2012, 08:28 PM #13
Not necessarily because you yourself are dangerous but because others may perceive you to be a danger in a given circumstance (others that may or may not have a weapon as well).
Edit: And of course one carrying a weapon can actually be dangerous.
July 24th, 2012, 08:38 PM #14
Like pickel says, it's always best to carry concealed. That way any situation that doesn't warrant the firearm will be blissfully ignorant of its existence.
July 24th, 2012, 08:42 PM #15
Yup... I think the knife law here in NY is dumb though because the cops I've met use the dumbest means of checking the size of the blade. Four fingers, no thumb, flat against the blade. Blade is higher than your fingers combined? Bad. Except nature tells us that people's fingers are sometimes bigger than others.
Apparently the local police around here hasn't read that memo yet.
July 24th, 2012, 08:46 PM #16
I believe it's 3.5" in Michigan or under 4" or something like that. I need a CCW to carry the knife I want to be able to carry, even if it's in a sheath on my belt fully exposed.
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July 24th, 2012, 09:11 PM #19
LOL!!! Unless you're a a coke fiend with an Uzi you don't have anything to worry about! Did you have a bad experience, Pickel?
(I hope it isn't because you walked up to a random cop and called yourself "Pickel from TIMO" because, no offense, I'd think there was something wrong with you too, lol! "Stop, drop and roll mutha..." or is that for fires?)
July 24th, 2012, 09:12 PM #20
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