Another Florida CCW permit holder successfully defends his property!

**Gomer** · July 26th, 2012, 11:33 PM

From the steak and seafood salesman.

"I felt threatened."

"He reached for something."

"Stood my ground."

"Who knows what he was going to do?"

"It's my Constitutional Right!"

"This property protected by Smith and Wesson."

"Gun control means hitting your target."

"Always make sure to put a second round in them so they can't sue you later."

"Saved them the cost of the trial."

FORT MYERS, FL -

Salesman shot in head "for effect"
A probable cause affidavit reveals chilling details about the murder of a salesman in the driveway of a home in Cape Coral Wednesday afternoon. The suspect allegedly shot the salesman in the head "for effect."

According to the report, Nicholas Rainey and two other men were going door to door selling meat.

Rainey was at the house at 1815 SW 30th Terrace and knocked on the door, but no one answered.

As Rainey walked down the driveway, a vehicle, driven by Kenneth Roop, pulled into the driveway.

Roop told Cape Coral Police he yelled, "What are you doing in my yard?"

Rainey allegedly said, "I'm here with meat."

Roop told police Rainey's tone of voice, attitude and demeanor made him nervous. He said he was scared because the man was walking toward him and he didn't know what he had in his hands, reports said.

Roop said he removed his Glock from his pocket, aimed and fired at Rainey.

Rainey dropped to the ground face down.

Roop said he fired a second shot in the man's head. When asked why, he told police "for effect."

Roop later told police he was still in fear of the man, even as he was falling to the ground because he believed Rainey was reaching for something.

Police wrote in the report that Roop demonstrated what he meant and that it appeared as though Rainey was just grabbing his chest where he was wounded, reports said.

**Taxmancometh** · July 27th, 2012, 01:41 AM

I hope Roop goes to hell. The poor man was only selling meat. This guy was just a whack job and doesn't mean the 2nd amendment is null and void.

**Epidemic** · July 27th, 2012, 10:19 AM

Gomer?

Sounds like a bad kill. Why do you bring this up as a defensive use of a firearm? Are the police not taking action on this?

**ShyguyXPC** · July 27th, 2012, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Taxmancometh

I hope Roop goes to hell. The poor man was only selling meat. This guy was just a whack job and doesn't mean the 2nd amendment is null and void.

have to agree with that.

Whole Article, especially 2nd half with witness statements and additional commentary left out of opening post's quote

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FORT MYERS, FL -

A probable cause affidavit reveals chilling details about the murder of a salesman in the driveway of a home in Cape Coral Wednesday afternoon. The suspect allegedly shot the salesman in the head "for effect."

According to the report, Nicholas Rainey and two other men were going door to door selling meat.

Rainey was at the house at 1815 SW 30th Terrace and knocked on the door, but no one answered.

As Rainey walked down the driveway, a vehicle, driven by Kenneth Roop, pulled into the driveway.

Roop told Cape Coral Police he yelled, "What are you doing in my yard?"

Rainey allegedly said, "I'm here with meat."

Roop told police Rainey's tone of voice, attitude and demeanor made him nervous. He said he was scared because the man was walking toward him and he didn't know what he had in his hands, reports said.

Roop said he removed his Glock from his pocket, aimed and fired at Rainey.

Rainey dropped to the ground face down.

Roop said he fired a second shot in the man's head. When asked why, he told police "for effect."

Roop later told police he was still in fear of the man, even as he was falling to the ground because he believed Rainey was reaching for something.

Police wrote in the report that Roop demonstrated what he meant and that it appeared as though Rainey was just grabbing his chest where he was wounded, reports said.

Roop told police he has three no trespassing signs on his property and Rainey should have respected that, according to reports.

According to the report, Roop has a concealed weapons permit, a federal weapon possession license and owns approximately 14 weapons.

The investigation revealed a cell phone and catalog on the ground next to the victim, reports said.

Witnesses told police that Rainey was in the driveway when a vehicle pulled in. The driver pulled out a gun and shot him. Roop then pointed the gun at the back of Rainey's head and shot him in the head.

Police reviewed the surveillance video from the house and said it verified witness statements of the victim's actions and that the suspect shot the victim a second time while he was face down on the ground.

Roop was arrested on second degree murder charges. He appeared in court Thursday morning and a judge denied bond.

Neighbor Alex Pevida says he wasn't surprised when he heard about the shooting, saying that he always avoided eye contact with Roop.

"Who knows, that could've been me," he said. "There is no reason I could think to shoot somebody just who comes to my house asking for something."

Pevida added that Rainey had just been to his front door selling meat.

We asked Pevida if Rainey made him feel threatened on his own property and he said, "No not at all. If I said anything else, I'd be lying."

Wednesday night, another neighbor, Gene Snyder, described the minutes after Rainey was shot.

He says he and his wife heard the shots from their lanai and that's when he went to help.

He says when he got to the home, he saw Rainey on the driveway and Roop in his garage.

"When he came out of the garage, he looked totally deranged to me. I mean, like he was off the deep end," Snyder described.

He said an off-duty deputy with the Collier County Sheriff's Office got Roop to drop his gun before Cape police arrived.

Snyder says that deputy probably saved his life.

"Out of the garage I heard something, ‘I will kill everyone' or 'shoot everyone' and he cocked his gun. Thank God for the Collier County sheriff's [deputy]. She probably saved my life and everyone else who was in the area," he said. "All they were doing was selling meat - frozen lobster tails and steaks. It's just a terrible tragedy."

Roop's next court appearance is scheduled for August 27th.

**Epidemic** · July 27th, 2012, 10:59 AM

yeah this woman should be dead.

All of these people should be denied the right to defend themselves.

Lee should have waited for police and his kids should not have a father.

Armed men break into the house robbed him before, of course he got a gun against the chicago gun ban. Luckily the DA is not pressing charges making a man a criminal for defending himself.

should this man have waited for police. I mean after all the man was not armed with a gun.

**The Real Bingo** · July 27th, 2012, 11:20 AM

If it went down like that, the asshole should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The whole point of "stand your ground" laws is to keep people involved in "good" shootings from being prosecuted for defending themselves.

**Epidemic** · July 27th, 2012, 01:02 PM

We the radical gun nuts of techimo believe this guy should be punished.

You the radical anti gun folks want the people above to have died.

You want the woman in the first video to have been stabbed to death by her x husband.

You want that old man to have his head smashed in by an unarmed crazy rather than let him defend himself.

These wonderful stories never get press nation wide. Stories of the victim winning and the aggressor getting served.

**Toadman** · July 27th, 2012, 03:45 PM

100 million firearms were not used in a crime today.

**Epidemic** · July 27th, 2012, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Toadman

100 million firearms were not used in a crime today.

probably a few hundred defensive uses though.

**tony_j15** · July 27th, 2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Epidemic

Gomer?

Sounds like a bad kill. Why do you bring this up as a defensive use of a firearm? Are the police not taking action on this?

He was being sarcastic. Apparently, it was so obvious you completely missed it.

**Toadman** · July 28th, 2012, 05:27 PM

100 million firearms were again not used in a crime today. Go figure.

**The Real Bingo** · July 29th, 2012, 10:22 AM

Considering the rate of death by firearms v. motor vehicles, one would think people would be truly up in arms about banning/restricting/regulating automobiles. The death-to-car ratio is far higher than the death-to-gun ratio, but nary a word is uttered about banning certain types of cars or restricting engine size or anything like that. But then again, the anti-gun argument isn't a logical or reasonable one; it is based on opinions and emotion rather than truth and fact. The anti-gun people aren't concerned with saving lives, but rather their own ideological fantasies.

**tony_j15** · July 29th, 2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

Considering the rate of death by firearms v. motor vehicles, one would think people would be truly up in arms about banning/restricting/regulating automobiles.

Well, let's think about that for a moment. What does one have to do to be able to drive a car? I need to:
be 18 for a full license
be properly documented
pass a written exam
pass a road exam with an instructor
obtain insurance
Get a car!!
Get it inspected!
Go back every other year for another inspection!

So actually, what we can see when we stop and think about it for a moment is that the process of driving involves quite a bit of regulation, both on the driver's part and also on the part of the manufacturer. Let's compare that with what it takes to obtain an AR-15:
be 18
go online, say to gunbroker.com for instance. Hell, just buy it local and support your friendly neighborhood supply store.
Buy it.

That's it. Depending on your state, perhaps a background check or a wait period. But no documentation, exam, test, or evaluation is nationally required. If you want a gun, you just get it. And we see what happens.

The death-to-car ratio is far higher than the death-to-gun ratio, but nary a word is uttered about banning certain types of cars or restricting engine size or anything like that. But then again, the anti-gun argument isn't a logical or reasonable one; it is based on opinions and emotion rather than truth and fact. The anti-gun people aren't concerned with saving lives, but rather their own ideological fantasies.

Using '09 numbers, there were 254,212,610 registered vehicles and 33,808 fatalities, or a ratio of .000133
Guns are a bit harder to track since they are unregistered. The best figure I'm coming up with is 270 million. In '09 there were 11,493 deaths attributed to firearms. So there's a ratio of .000043. There is an order of magnitude difference between the two, but it fails to tell the whole story.
We would have to delve deep into both categories to understand what is actually negligence/behaviors that need changed and simple accidents. Having a tire blow out because you failed to check air pressure and dying in the wreck or shooting your head off while cleaning a gun because you failed to check the chamber are events that will happen and ones that should be discounted. I don't have access to delve that deep.

Did you know that NOS is banned by 39 states? Lift and drop kits are regulated? That studded tires are prohibited year round in 11 states?

The point of all this is to disprove what you hastily wrote out of ideological fantasy. Cars are indeed regulated. Drives are subject to certain standards of behavior. The arguments are reasonable, rational, and logical and the object is to save lives.

**Taxmancometh** · July 29th, 2012, 05:06 PM

Yeah right, cars are regulated? People drive like shit! They need to go through an obstacle course like I did in Utah every time they renew their license!

Around here in my small town there are a ton of car accidents just because people can't drive worth a damn.

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**brandon184** · July 29th, 2012, 05:57 PM

I think gun control supporters would be more than happy if there was much regulation on guns as there are on cars. Good work, Bingo! Achieving compromise!

**pickel** · July 29th, 2012, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by brandon184

I think gun control supporters would be more than happy if there was much regulation on guns as there are on cars. Good work, Bingo! Achieving compromise!

How about a "Blow Test Trigger Guard" ????? That'll fix them gun owner nuts!!!!

Pharmacists report Any One on psychotic meds to the FBI, who will, immediately, search their car, home/apt and put them under satellite photo surveillance. That'll fix 'em too !!!!

**Taxmancometh** · July 29th, 2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

Pharmacists report Any One on psychotic meds to the FBI, who will, immediately, search their car, home/apt and put them under satellite photo surveillance. That'll fix 'em too !!!!

That means I'm out of a gun for protection. Read my blog post.

Aaron

**The Real Bingo** · July 29th, 2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by tony_j15

Well, let's think about that for a moment. What does one have to do to be able to drive a car? I need to:
be 18 for a full license
be properly documented
pass a written exam
pass a road exam with an instructor
obtain insurance
Get a car!!
Get it inspected!
Go back every other year for another inspection!

So actually, what we can see when we stop and think about it for a moment is that the process of driving involves quite a bit of regulation, both on the driver's part and also on the part of the manufacturer. Let's compare that with what it takes to obtain an AR-15:
be 18
go online, say to gunbroker.com for instance. Hell, just buy it local and support your friendly neighborhood supply store.
Buy it.

That's it. Depending on your state, perhaps a background check or a wait period. But no documentation, exam, test, or evaluation is nationally required. If you want a gun, you just get it. And we see what happens.

Using '09 numbers, there were 254,212,610 registered vehicles and 33,808 fatalities, or a ratio of .000133
Guns are a bit harder to track since they are unregistered. The best figure I'm coming up with is 270 million. In '09 there were 11,493 deaths attributed to firearms. So there's a ratio of .000043. There is an order of magnitude difference between the two, but it fails to tell the whole story.
We would have to delve deep into both categories to understand what is actually negligence/behaviors that need changed and simple accidents. Having a tire blow out because you failed to check air pressure and dying in the wreck or shooting your head off while cleaning a gun because you failed to check the chamber are events that will happen and ones that should be discounted. I don't have access to delve that deep.

Did you know that NOS is banned by 39 states? Lift and drop kits are regulated? That studded tires are prohibited year round in 11 states?

The point of all this is to disprove what you hastily wrote out of ideological fantasy. Cars are indeed regulated. Drives are subject to certain standards of behavior. The arguments are reasonable, rational, and logical and the object is to save lives.

So what you're saying is even with the restrictions licensed drivers kill more than gun owners as a whole. Thanks for proving that licensing/registering is ineffective for safety concerns. All it does is let big brother track us, tax us, and make sure we obey.

Originally Posted by brandon184

I think gun control supporters would be more than happy if there was much regulation on guns as there are on cars. Good work, Bingo! Achieving compromise!

I must have missed that amendment in the Constitution that guaranteed the right to drive cars.

**Gomer** · July 29th, 2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

Considering the rate of death by firearms v. motor vehicles, one would think people would be truly up in arms about banning/restricting/regulating automobiles. The death-to-car ratio is far higher than the death-to-gun ratio, but nary a word is uttered about banning certain types of cars or restricting engine size or anything like that. But then again, the anti-gun argument isn't a logical or reasonable one; it is based on opinions and emotion rather than truth and fact. The anti-gun people aren't concerned with saving lives, but rather their own ideological fantasies.

From 2000-2006 there were 0.20 violent deaths involving vehicles per 100,000 people.

During the same time period there were 50x as many violent deaths involving firearms.

**Gomer** · July 29th, 2012, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

How about a "Blow Test Trigger Guard" ????? That'll fix them gun owner nuts!!!!

Pharmacists report Any One on psychotic meds to the FBI, who will, immediately, search their car, home/apt and put them under satellite photo surveillance. That'll fix 'em too !!!!

You would think at the very least, that pulling a gun on the meter reader would be grounds for forfeiting your weapons *shrug*