Romney Picks Paul Ryan of Wisconsin

[Chuckiechan]

[thephilosophizer]

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. All you people who want change and keep voting for an elephant or a jackass are just fooling yourselves. The Rs and the Ds are too steeped in the system, to dependent on it, to want to change. Vote third party, or better yet, get directly involved yourselves.

Truth in those words. Republican or Democrat, they all have piles of money, and are paid by giant corporate interests to stay in office, whether it be banks, or health care, or manufacturing, or energy or anything, None of them have the will or ability to stand away from those interests, and actually represent their constituents.
By my count there are only two members in either house that truly have the courage of their convictions, Bernie Sanders, and Ron Paul. The rest are varying degrees of liar and coward.
I vote democrat because by the numbers they're the least bad option. But in the end we are locked in this two party system, and one has no reason to believe that anything will change any time soon. I at least can count myself lucky living in Massachusetts, not only do we have a functional state democracy with a high degree of participation at every level, but we also have a healthy economy, and thoughtful leaders.

[sharder8]

Yes, because the private sector was so much better off the last time the republicans were in charge . Does every conservative have amnesia that kicked in the day Obama took office?

And how is that "Hope and Change" working for you philosophizer?

90% of the people that are happy with the last 3 1/2 years are either government employee's, feed off the government teat, or affluent Liberals.

FYI, unemployment is on the way back up, gas prices are on the way back up, business' still aren't hiring, let alone expanding, (unless they have government contracts).

While people like MTA and others of his ilk will claim that unemployment is down, they won't admit why the government figures are deceptive. A good example is the number of people that have filed for and gone on the SSDI rolls. You can't be working or drawing unemployment AND be collecting SSDI. The numbers also don't reflect the number that have dropped off the unemployment rolls in the last 6 months, because their benefits ran out . . . never mind those that just gave up looking for employment. Then, add in those who stayed in school or went back to school . . . those aren't counted in the unemployment numbers either.

I'm sure you don't want to even touch the increase in numbers on food stamps . . .

How about the number of business' that have been forced to close in the last 2 years? BTW, foreclosures are still going on as well and the new housing boom is in rentals to those who lost their homes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of R&R and to be honest, I don't see an improvement under them either.


Harder

[thephilosophizer]

And how is that "Hope and Change" working for you philosophizer?

90% of the people that are happy with the last 3 1/2 years are either government employee's, feed off the government teat, or affluent Liberals.

FYI, unemployment is on the way back up, gas prices are on the way back up, business' still aren't hiring, let alone expanding, (unless they have government contracts).

While people like MTA and others of his ilk will claim that unemployment is down, they won't admit why the government figures are deceptive. A good example is the number of people that have filed for and gone on the SSDI rolls. You can't be working or drawing unemployment AND be collecting SSDI. The numbers also don't reflect the number that have dropped off the unemployment rolls in the last 6 months, because their benefits ran out . . . never mind those that just gave up looking for employment. Then, add in those who stayed in school or went back to school . . . those aren't counted in the unemployment numbers either.

I'm sure you don't want to even touch the increase in numbers on food stamps . . .

How about the number of business' that have been forced to close in the last 2 years? BTW, foreclosures are still going on as well and the new housing boom is in rentals to those who lost their homes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of R&R and to be honest, I don't see an improvement under them either.


Harder

In simple terms. Since Obama has been president we have not entered into any major conflicts (calling Libya minor here I think is fair), we haven't funded any conflicts with tax cuts. We haven't been attacked by terrorists (we actually killed a good lot of them if you'll recall). We haven't entered into a recession.
No we haven't seen employment numbers get back to where we'd like them, but a functional congress might be able to help there.
And in light of that, how is it at all fathomable that the ideology and the people, the men themselves (because women tend not to be republicans for whatever reason...) that caused the mess we're in; how can those people and those ideas possible solve the problems they caused?
Cause and effect.

[sharder8]

In simple terms. Since Obama has been president we have not entered into any major conflicts (calling Libya minor here I think is fair), we haven't funded any conflicts with tax cuts. We haven't been attacked by terrorists (we actually killed a good lot of them if you'll recall). We haven't entered into a recession.

Not true . . . we funded the Libyan conflict and we're funding the Syrian conflict in terms of arms and ammunition. Don't forget, Obama also sent troops, arms, and ammunition into half a dozen other African countries as well.

No we haven't seen employment numbers get back to where we'd like them, but a functional congress might be able to help there.
And in light of that, how is it at all fathomable that the ideology and the people, the men themselves (because women tend not to be republicans for whatever reason...) that caused the mess we're in; how can those people and those ideas possible solve the problems they caused?
Cause and effect.

Both parties are to blame! Obama made all these promises that he hasn't been able to keep and I said it before he was elected, you guys were buying the BS hook, line, and sinker. I knew he couldn't fix all the crap Bush Jr. caused, in one, two, or even 3 terms. Well, he's put the country in an even worse mess and the end is even further out of sight.

Now, you think he'll fix a majority of them when he's a lame duck President??? Obama would need full control of both the house and senate to push anything through . . . and it ain't going to happen. He might get re-elected, but he's done before ever serving a second term. (Which makes me wonder what he promised the Russians and others, that he would do for them during his second term.)

I'm very worried about what R&R are promising as well. I highly doubt he's going to do away with Medicare or SS. Even his Republican supporters would rise up against him if he tried. Yeah, you Dumborats and your fear mongering is unbelievable! Regardless, R&R making the promises they're making, are just as un-attainable as Obama's.

Just my thoughts.


Harder

[Taxmancometh]

Pretty frighting.

[tony_j15]

Then you cannot possibly vote for Obama.

Without evidence, that statement has no legs to stand on....furthermore, what I said in my previous post refutes your assertion.

I didn't see anyone else get up like a fucking idiot and make a scene!!!

Being angry about a malevolent plan to gut a security program you have had to pay in to for your whole working life makes one an idiot? Having a strong opinion and voicing it makes one an idiot? Standing up and speaking out makes one an idiot?

90% of the people that are happy with the last 3 1/2 years are either government employee's, feed off the government teat, or affluent Liberals.

Got a link? Other than "ipulleditfrommyass.com"?

FYI, unemployment is on the way back up,

Unemployment nudged from 8.2 to 8.3 for July. You got to really stretch to call that "on the way back up." The trend is obviously downwards.

gas prices are on the way back up,

And that is the government's fault how, exactly?

business' still aren't hiring, let alone expanding, (unless they have government contracts).

Uh-huh. Again, link?

While people like MTA and others of his ilk will claim that unemployment is down, they won't admit why the government figures are deceptive.

It's not deceptive, it's merely a statistic. If you want to go by the broader U-6 number the BLS provides, then we just went from 14.9% to 15% this July. It has been trending downwards as well. There is cause for concern has benefits expire, which would be easily fixed by allowing for longer term unemployment or by creating a government sponsored work plan. Neither idea has gained traction in Congress, however, in no small part thanks to the current conservative ideologues and their no tax/cut tax mantra.

[brandon184]

Harder,

I'm wondering, what kind of recovery would you expect out of a competent leader? How low do you think that a competent leader would be able to reduce the unemployment rate in a single term and what do you think would be done to do so?

You strike me as having unrealistic expectations. You act as if Obama's "Hope & Change" was some kind of promise of instant prosperity when that's not what it struck me as at all. If you look at the numbers available via BLS and polling, unemployment has trended downward since he took office at a rate that is competitive with prior recoveries. That's a fact, whether anyone likes it or not.

So again, my question is, what are your specific expectations? Do you think a competent leader would have had the nation at 4% unemployment by now? How?

[sharder8]

Frightening???

Nah, pickel, MTA, brandon, tony, and how many others are in the same boat?

Oh, that's right, they were spreading the same BS back then.

Hell, they've already started fear mongering on Medicare and SS this time around, and NO ONE has actually seen the plan yet.


Harder

[sharder8]

Harder,

I'm wondering, what kind of recovery would you expect out of a competent leader? How low do you think that a competent leader would be able to reduce the unemployment rate in a single term and what do you think would be done to do so?

You strike me as having unrealistic expectations. You act as if Obama's "Hope & Change" was some kind of promise of instant prosperity when that's not what it struck me as at all. If you look at the numbers available via BLS and polling, unemployment has trended downward since he took office at a rate that is competitive with prior recoveries. That's a fact, whether anyone likes it or not.

So again, my question is, what are your specific expectations? Do you think a competent leader would have had the nation at 4% unemployment by now? How?

That's a fair set of questions brandon. Think back to the last election, when Obama was running . . . I said back then, that I didn't believe Obama or anyone else could fix all the wrongs Bush Jr. had created in 1 or 2 terms, I still stand by that. I also do NOT believe R&R is capable of picking up the reins and fixing the second part of fixing Bush JR, let alone the added baggage of Obama's term.

Realistically, I don't think we have ANY competent politicians that can fix things within the next 4 - 16 years. It's going to take that long to replace most of the current politicians with hopefully better and more competent ones, with only the improvement of the country, both financially and economically.

I know my expectations are high . . . but I believe they are attainable . . . just not by Obama/Biden or R&R. This election looks to be another lesser of two evils and the 2 evils are running neck and neck for title of lesser.


Harder

[pickel]

Realistically, I don't think we have ANY competent politicians


Harder

That's fer DAMN SHURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fear Mongering..

I just react to what I read. Ryan wants to cut out a MAJOR part of the contributors to Medicare. So, when their turn comes, they're fucked... Plain enough !!!

[sharder8]

That's fer DAMN SHURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fear Mongering..

I just react to what I read.

Ya' mean KNEE JERK!!!




Harder

[Taxmancometh]

Being angry about a malevolent plan to gut a security program you have had to pay in to for your whole working life makes one an idiot? Having a strong opinion and voicing it makes one an idiot? Standing up and speaking out makes one an idiot?

No, he's an idiot for causing a scene and they had to arrest him. No one else did that. Give me a break!

[Chuckiechan]

It's awfully early to "have it all figured out", since you won't really have the "Platform" until the convention.

I think Romney is smart to play it close to the vest. From the White House's point of view, this is going to be a contest of "killing the other guy", so what' the rush?

Romney's surrogates will roll in the mud with Obama's as Romney and Ryan try to stay above the fray and stick to economics. But I just hope they have the "want" to roll in the mud with Obama. He's going to take them there, and he isn't going alone.

Either way, the combination of Romney and Ryan is a "dream team" of economic excellence. You could not have found better candidates to confront today's problems.

You young democrats are lucky to be alive to witness the salvation of the USA and to witness the democrats being sent back into the wilderness for another 40 years! And, you as individuals will all be better off than you are now because of it!

You old democrats have seen this movie before. You have lost your party (again) to the nut jobs.

Well, it's 10:17 PM PDT, so I figure when I get my coffee tomorrow morning and sit down at my computer, you liberal trolls should be all revved up and fighting over who gets first crack at my jugular vein in typical liberal fashion!

You guys crack me up!

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[MegalosSkylaki]

I have no doubt the policies of the spend-and-spend Demuplicans and the spend-and-spend Repulicrats have taken this Country to a Fiscal Cliff --and by that I don't mean the impending tax rise and spending cut.

Back in 2008--and this gives you an idea of how things work in Washington--it was announced that there was a super-emergency, so urgent that the fate of the nation wasa at stake unless a Bailout was immediately pased and required all Congresspersons in Washingto even on on Sunday to pass the Bailout.

Then the emergency was suspended. Why? Well, there was a two-day religious observence for a religion of 2% of the Nation. Then the Emergency became , well 'emergent' again--the Bailout was passed.

And should you ask--doubtlessly you already know--those who were bailed out were not the victims of an economic catastrophy but the culprits who caused it as they were too important to suffer from the risk taking that goes with misinvestment and the Taxpayers had to bail them out, err..when the "emergency" was allowed to return from a religious holiday.

Most religions make allowances for emergencies, including this one --but maybe this wasn't a bona fida emergency or maybe the bailout was more to give the culprits the money they would otherwise lose and was not a real emergency as commonly understood sense.

So now we have a candidate who ostensibly understands the tragic mess we are racing toward and even has a stratagem to address it--what the Bailouts failed to do to the victims, fiscal policy might reach far and deep in that direction.

By ROBERT PEAR
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WASHINGTON — Though best known as an architect of conservative fiscal policy, Representative Paul D. Ryan has also been an ardent, unwavering foe of abortion rights, has tried to cut off federal money for family planning...,

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“I’m as pro-life as a person gets,” Mr. Ryan said then. “You’re not going to have a truce. Judges are going to come up. Issues come up, they’re unavoidable, and I’m never going to not vote pro-life.”

In nearly 14 years as a Republican congressman from Wisconsin, Mr. Ryan has not only voted for legislation that would cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood and the Title X family planning program, but also backed bills to establish criminal penalties for certain doctors who perform the procedure known as partial-birth abortion.

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MegalosSkylaki

Some of you may remember my Thread on The Psychophysics of Taxation, wherein taxation would be given an emperical basis to be so high across the classes that it is perceived as equally painful, whether you are making $ten Thousand--or $ten Million. Somehow I don't think the Ryan Budget would do the trick anymore than I think his anti-abortion stance would fall equally harshly across the foreign vacation and the coathanger sets.

[brandon184]

Chuck,

When Obama and Biden are launched back into the White House, do you have any plans to move out of the country in protest? Or are you just going to continue your daily routine of whining and pouting?

[Whir]

I love the months leading up to elections here in DIMO. This our third stretch here and we can see the same predictable behavior now as we have the last two times.

A) The incumbent supporters draw upon statistics, logic, reason and excuses to show that their candidate is the better man.

2) The challenger supporters accuse the media of tomfoolery, the current President of destroying the future of our country, and fellow board members of fear mongering and blind idealism.

And so, for the next few months, we can all look forward to this exact thread, rehashed in every manner imaginable, only differing in what the content of the original post was.

Face it guys, we all think we know what's best and stand above the herd, but in reality, we're all trolls and we're only here for the fray. When you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

Let us then enjoy our fray as adults and men, rather than boys with black eyes. Etc, etc.

[Taxmancometh]

If you say something often enough people will start to believe it.

"Change we can believe in."

[Whir]

Unless you get your information from Fox News. Then they only have to say it once and you believe it. Tohohohohoho.




Wasn't a force in the world that could stop me from jumping on that one.

[Epidemic]

Boy MegalosSkylaki, makes a wonderful post and no one attacks or agrees with it.

The truth is we are heading toward a fiscal cliff with one party is disabling the brakes and the other stepping on the gas and both parties are shouting how dangerous this behavior is.

I sometimes hope that the Republicans are at least holding their arm out the window to slow down the car but that does little.


I think tax cuts can be wonderful but they have to be followed by spending cuts or even better preceeded by spending cuts. That said, we have a huge credit bill to pay so we probably can't afford to cut taxes. We could not afford it during bush and we certainly can't afford them now.

The American people are all screaming at the drivers to fix one problem but could care less about the other. Currently with out brakes we will still coast off the cliff. Stepping on the gas will get us there faster and our launch will be more spectacular but either way at the bottom of the cliff it ain't gonna be fun.