[F@H SPAM November 2011] Its Been 3 months Now, Time For New Thread....

**ShyguyXPC** · November 17th, 2011, 12:11 AM

*sigh*

Here we go again...

Everything You Need To Know About GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores | techPowerUp

I'm still waiting to nab my 2nd 560 Ti, and here it is, Nvidia is coming out with a "new", albeit gimped 570, 560 Ti...

maybe it will lead to an influx of recert 560 Ti's from EVGA again. But as others have said, seems like their just getting rid of excess stock, reducing the specs to fit between the 560 Ti and 570 and hope to still make a profit on the excess stock.

Whether their defective 570's, or gimped 570's, if their they latter, would make more sense just to sell the 570 at a lower price point, increase sales of that card, and still make a profit.

The whole concept of making one part and then purposely gimping it, and "Saving" money is Bullsh*t. In order to do this, you have to make the FULL part, which is a given cost. then you spend MORE time purposely crippling it, and some how that saves money, and allows you to sell at a lower price point? Seriously, that's BS.

Picture making a Fully loaded option Ferrari, or Aston Martin or whatever. Whatever it costs, be it 100K, or 200K, you've put that much money and time into those products.

Now you go in, and spend more time, labor, power costs, etc, and disable aspects of the cars engine system, or whatever to reduce its over all performance, all the while still leaving those deactivated parts intact in the car... Exactly how does that reduce costs and make savings?

It doesn't. Not unless the car was Built to those specs from the get go.

same thing applies to these video cards. you spend time disabling a fully functional product, and then sell at lower price point, The full product was made, money spent on it, too late, money's been spent. You disable aspects of it, which is more labor/time spent doing so, and then sell it for less than the full part, even though under the hood the full part may be intact, just disabled. if selling at lower price point for this disabled full part, and still making a profit. Then it would make sense to just sell the full blown, fully enabled part at that price point, instead.

I don't know, this "binning" of chips thing really has me wondering sometimes.

Now if these are defective chips, and some parts are disabled to fit in between, I can understand that, since the chips are defective and rather than scrapping them, sell them at a reduced spec lower price point. At least that makes sense, but not when the chips are already fully functional, and then to gimp them anyways.

I just hope they push the current Ti's down in price. As it is the GTX 560 that matches the Radeon 6870, is prices higher than the 6870. Adding this one in, could push the 560 Ti down a bit in price, pushing the 560 down closer to the 6870's price, and maybe one last price war until the Radeon HD 7800 series comes out.

On the plus side, for users like Aaron, you'll be able to 3 Way SLI this 560 Ti.

210W is a bit high still, even for a gimped 570.

no way I'm grabbing 3 of those, 630W total, on my 750W PSU... still too high.

**Nude_Lewd_Man** · November 17th, 2011, 04:31 AM

That sounds like what happens where I am.....essentially, we only have two types of product (of which there are multiple levels) and of the [physically] smaller type, the only difference between the fully functional item and the product that has a number half that of the 'original' is that there's something coded into the EEPROM chip; this means that it can only do half the amount of the "full" system..

There's no difference in the hardware between the versions of the lesser "50%" system and the "100%" one...and we've got a customer who (other than always complaining that the system isn't fast enough, even though we've proved that they've quadrupled the load on it...currently at ~875 MBps, IIRC) only bought the "50%" system for their DR site, and the EEPROM broke... Initially, the only thing we could see, from our end, was that their DR didn't list the serial number any more. It was only then that we (as the Support department) discovered that this meant that the "50%" system was now running at "100%" speeds...

Obviously, as the customer is already complaining of performance, we can't really go ahead and RMA the DR head to 'fix' the EEPROM issue, as then their performance would really tank....unless we did a "custy sat" replacement to the "100%" kit...

Anyway, I'm gonna update my [Folding] site a bit more, so there should be more jokes on there...

**ShyguyXPC** · November 17th, 2011, 12:37 PM

Kudos to FrozenCPU again, just got my extra cables this morning. 2-3 Day USPS shipping. was shipped out before noon on Tuesday, but Wednesday was the official first day of the shipping.

Love how fast these guys get stuff out.

have to take a look at the cables, but also getting ready for work, (only half day/shift today).

Cables look nice, USB extension cable pins need to be bent slightly back straight, but otherwise looks nice. the tube of Shin Etsu is bigger than I thought, but since its so narrow, it doesn't add up to much.

**SoloCamo** · November 17th, 2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by ShyguyXPC

the tube of Shin Etsu is bigger than I thought, but since its so narrow, it doesn't add up to much.

I take it this is a new CPU thermal paste that has beat out the good 'ol Arctic Silver?

**2monsters** · November 17th, 2011, 09:24 PM

BOO!

**nemowolf** · November 17th, 2011, 09:25 PM

hallo !

**ShyguyXPC** · November 17th, 2011, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by SoloCamo

I take it this is a new CPU thermal paste that has beat out the good 'ol Arctic Silver?

depends, many still use AS5 or AS Ceramique (I still use the latter from time to time, but now there is a new Ceramique 2 they have as well)

I've used IC Diamond for the last couple years, and wanted to try the Shin Etsu thats also highly rated, Indigo Extreme is another thats rated at the top, but hella expensive.

The stuff I bought is the same stuff that they use as stock on the Cooler already, so in case I needed to reapply I have some.

But from what I read on OCN is a lot of them recommend Shin Etsu, especially for Water cooling applications.

But Shin Etsu x23, IC Diamond and Indigo Extreme are the top 3 I usually see referenced, though AS5/Ceramique and Arctic Cooling MX-3 (or was it 5?), are still highly rated all around good stuff to use as well.

Originally Posted by 2monsters

BOO!

WHOA!!! Where you been?

Now we just need JJ to pop in and say high, and since we're on the topic of people popping in...

Anyone seen Engracio? haven't seen him around in a LOOOOONG time?

**2monsters** · November 17th, 2011, 09:46 PM

Hope you are all doing well.

Been good over here. I think the wife and I are done making kids now lol. Most of our time is dedicated to them and being wage slaves.

**Nude_Lewd_Man** · November 18th, 2011, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by 2monsters

Hope you are all doing well.

Been good over here. I think the wife and I are done making kids now lol. Most of our time is dedicated to them and being wage slaves.

It is still good fun practicing...

Well, I think it is...

**nemowolf** · November 18th, 2011, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nude_Lewd_Man

It is still good fun practicing...

Well, I think it is...

Seconded!

**nunyadam** · November 20th, 2011, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by 2monsters

BOO!

that about sums it up.

**Nude_Lewd_Man** · November 21st, 2011, 01:33 AM

It seems to be time for the return of all the gang... :wheee:

**nemowolf** · November 21st, 2011, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Nude_Lewd_Man

It seems to be time for the return of all the gang... :wheee:

who is this gang and and where did they go?

**Nude_Lewd_Man** · November 22nd, 2011, 01:35 AM

Oh, just remembered to actually post this here...but in case any of you have been doing bigadv WUs on your machines:
Planned changes to "Big Advanced" (BA) projects, effective January 16, 2012

**ShyguyXPC** · November 22nd, 2011, 02:35 AM

Thats just freakin stupid... like someone said, obviously those Big Advanced jobs are unimportant to them, as I kind of always felt, since they were limited to only certain types of hardware (Intel Quads), if the jobs are truly important to the overall project, why can't they utilize current hardware, even if its current TYPICAL high end consumer hardware (Triple, Quad and Hex Core CPU's)?

Just means, back to plan "A" and focus on GPU folding Farms again.

16 Core requirement is just freakin lame. Even if it is 16 Threads (8 Core with HT, which would limit it again to only Intel Hardware), is just absurd, as we're still really only at Quad and Hex cores, which are still a bit high in price. Only "Consumer" 8 cores are really AMD's, and those aren't Hyper or multi threaded cores really, so they don't even qualify.

Sounds like you need $1000 or more CPU's to participate in the BigAdv units now. Something only Corporations and Educational Organization/Universities and other Academic communities can really offer due to their hardware they have.

**Nude_Lewd_Man** · November 22nd, 2011, 03:21 AM

The discussions in that thread suggest that the core hack thing would still be allowed (in as much as that it isn't against the rules as they stand now) so you could potentially still crunch the chunky stuff on a 2600k or hex core 'consumer' chip...but, until the final details are seen and tried IRL, this all remains to be seen...

**nemowolf** · November 22nd, 2011, 03:39 PM

probably a play by intel to push cpus to the folding community and i wouldnt be surprised if this is how they quantify the kick back F@H gets for "sponsoring" such a change.

**ShyguyXPC** · November 23rd, 2011, 01:12 AM

Not sure if that would be a push from Intel, as they don't even have any real 16 Core or 16 Threaded CPU's they could push towards the Folding Community and boost their sales of the CPU's.

Aside from Over priced, out of reach due to cost Xeons.

Even AMD is in the same Boat, only thing they have that would match that are 16 Core Opterons that are out of reach of most folders anyways.

Only 8 Core (16 thread) CPU on newegg from Intel: Newegg.com - Intel Xeon X7560 Nehalem-EX 2.26GHz 24MB L3 Cache LGA 1567 130W 8-Core Server Processor BX80604X7560

$4K-ish is a bit out of reach of most Folders.

As for AMD.

I think if anyone is pushing things with Stanford it'd be AMD...

This why: Newegg.com - AMD Opteron 6274 Interlagos 2.2GHz 16MB L3 Cache Socket G34 115W 16-Core Server Processor OS6274WKTGGGUWOF

That and the 2.1GHz version of that chip, at roughly 1/6th the price is much much more affordable, but even still Folders would need a G34 Socket Mobo, and probably ECC RAM or even FB DIMM's, all adding to the price.

**nemowolf** · November 23rd, 2011, 08:10 PM

yowch ... didnt think about that ...

Gotta be someone pushing for the higher end cpus though ... just thinking out loud.

**Nude_Lewd_Man** · November 24th, 2011, 03:37 AM

Dammit... I typed up a long(er) reply on my S2 but it didn't actually get posted..

The basics of what I'd said was:

This is all a bit up in the air, as there have been no specifics announced, so it is possible that the hex core and/or 2600k/2700k CPUs *might* still be able to complete the WUs when the new deadlines kick in...but until the changes are implemented and people have had a chance to find out, then there's little point in being too concerned.

What it does do (for the time being) is to make those who were thinking about upgrading and/or building new rigs, and were planning to work the bigadv/"hugeadv" units, sit and wait for a few months until they see how this whole saga unveils...

Personally, I wish that they'd just make this change on the "hugeadv" WUs, but leave the 'normal' bigadv ones alone...this is where most of the corehack was being done, meaning that 2600k, 2500k and X6 machines were doing work that was intended for computers with 12+ cores/threads, and while the 2500k and X6 rigs could (if clocked high enough) complete the 6903 WUs, it was very tight on whether they were able to finish the 6904 units....presuming they completed them if they got them......

Having said that, I'm sure that they (Stanford) know what the global demand for WUs is, and which units they need to get through more of - but perhaps another way would/could have been to make the less requested WUs more appealing, so that people would choose to do those instead....