next gen

**simbob** · October 5th, 2005, 09:05 PM

would the following rig be just 'capable' or 'more then capable' of playing the next gen games?

amd 64 3500+ venice

2gb ddr400

7800gtx

with a system like that could i expect to play games with gfx the likes of what we see on the ps3, and x-box360?

**Vitalka** · October 5th, 2005, 11:03 PM

Probably, but will see for sure when those consoles come out.

**RamonGTP** · October 5th, 2005, 11:41 PM

From what i've read, it will be sometime before PC's can match the power of the next gen consoles. I can tell you for sure that raw power of the CPU's in the next gen consoles, especially in the PS3 (with its 8 core CPU)would put today's highest end PC processors to shame.

**super gerbil** · October 6th, 2005, 12:14 AM

Yeah

This should hold up for quite some time

**ChubTub** · October 6th, 2005, 12:18 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but consoles are just computers, but that have certain hard ware. Most of the builds are just modified comp hardware bought in bulk? How is it going to get that much faster? I can see games being totally opimized for the console of course but other than that?

From what I have seen consoles are not built with high end gear, although I could be wrong.

Personally I thinkn you will be fine for quite a bit with those specs.

**syncmaster** · October 6th, 2005, 12:26 AM

pshhhhh that system is good for atleast 2 yrs 64 is technically all new technology all the way till vista haha

**GameManK** · October 6th, 2005, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by ChubTub

Correct me if I am wrong but consoles are just computers, but that have certain hard ware. Most of the builds are just modified comp hardware bought in bulk? How is it going to get that much faster? I can see games being totally opimized for the console of course but other than that?

True of the current XBOX, but the PS3's cell processor is all original. What I dont understand is how they can put so much R&D into a system and sell it for less than $500.

That system should be great for quite a while.

**RamonGTP** · October 6th, 2005, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by ChubTub

Correct me if I am wrong but consoles are just computers, but that have certain hard ware. Most of the builds are just modified comp hardware bought in bulk? How is it going to get that much faster? I can see games being totally opimized for the console of course but other than that?

From what I have seen consoles are not built with high end gear, although I could be wrong.

Personally I thinkn you will be fine for quite a bit with those specs.

You are wrong... Quite considerably too. As mentioned above, other than the original xbox, other consoles, especially the next gen ones have almost nothing in common with a traditional PC's.

MS and Sony actually lose money on the console sales. If they priced it at a level where they'd make money, or even break even givin all the R&D that has gone into the consoels, they wouldn't sell any, lol... However they MORE than make up for it with game sales.

**ChubTub** · October 6th, 2005, 10:36 AM

Anyone have any linkage on this I am interested, because if they are that powerful I might have to get one.

**vikeor** · October 6th, 2005, 11:03 AM

well... sony did hype up the ppl with the PS2... wasnt as good as they sed it would be...

hopefully the PS3 will live up to the E3 footage!!

**Overclocked412** · October 6th, 2005, 11:23 AM

Id like to get my hands on some E3 2001 videos for the PS2. Wonder how juiced up those videos were?

**RamonGTP** · October 6th, 2005, 12:14 PM

Well yes, Sony is the king of hype. But even if the PS3 is 3/4 as powerfull as the say it is, it would rock... Here are some specs for those that dont already know... http://www.webnweb.com/vgames/html/p...n_3_specs.html

**jkrohn** · October 6th, 2005, 12:24 PM

Ramon: There is a HUGE difference between the theoretical power of the Cell processor, and games actually being programed to take advantage of it. Not only will it be hard to design algorithms that will take advatage of its pros, a very good number of situations are not even able to be programed to do so.

As far as actual graphic performance of the XBox 360 or the PS3, good god you must all be 12 or have short memories. EVERY E3, EVER PUT ON, for EVERY "in game footage" has almost always been revealed to be pre-rendered. This last E3 was no different.

The difference between getting graphics on PC's vs consoles is that very rarely does a game take advantage of all of the features of top of the line graphics cards. There just isn't any money in doing so. It takes substantial extra time, plus it will have to degrade itself for 90% of the computers playing it.

With a console, good games are able to squeeze every ounce of performance out every component since it knows every system is identicle. It makes financial sense to push it to its limits for game companies as in the end they put out a much better product that every buyer will benefit from.

In the future, that 7800 will put out the same if not better graphics. This will take time though until most games actually begin to use its features.

Jkrohn

**JimRune** · October 6th, 2005, 01:10 PM

Did you forget TGS, Jkrohn?

MGS4 isn't pre-rendered and is a very good example of what games on the system will look like.

**ChubTub** · October 6th, 2005, 01:13 PM

Ok I found some specs on the xBox. Basically a computer with modified parts as always nothing really special. I do find the "Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each" to be interesting. It has an ATi card in it which is no suprise.

Some of the things are cool but nothing really ground breaking. Just different companies making custom parts for the xBox.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/factsheet.htm

I am not saying that these are not good I am just saying that it is basically a modified comp mass produced or is a comp a modified counsel?

**RamonGTP** · October 6th, 2005, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by jkrohn

Ramon: There is a HUGE difference between the theoretical power of the Cell processor, and games actually being programed to take advantage of it. Not only will it be hard to design algorithms that will take advatage of its pros, a very good number of situations are not even able to be programed to do so.
Jkrohn

I realize this... Which is exactly why I said the "raw" power the the processor

**SoloCamo** · October 6th, 2005, 01:28 PM

chubtub, the consoles are indeed much different then a pc. They are built from the ground up.

Ever open up a console? (besides the original xbox) they are much different.

For example PS2 was the only true 128bit cpu, but the reason it didn't have that great of performance is the lack of a true videocard.

The new system's such as Xbox360 are using a highly different gpu then what ati will offer in it's x1800 series and will have features that pc's won't see for years to come. such as unified shaders.

**ChubTub** · October 6th, 2005, 01:33 PM

the consoles are indeed much different then a pc.

Yep, I realize this.

**jkrohn** · October 6th, 2005, 02:34 PM

I realize this... Which is exactly why I said the "raw" power the the processor

Your statement was misleading. It would put modern CPUs to shame if it could actually be put to use. It can't though, so in the end it will not.

Jkrohn

**RamonGTP** · October 6th, 2005, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by jkrohn

Your statement was misleading. It would put modern CPUs to shame if it could actually be put to use. It can't though, so in the end it will not.

Jkrohn

Neither can PC programs if you want to get technical. With the amount of memory and hard drive space available for PC's, the coding for PC software is MUCH more inefficient than the software for consoles. So yes, it WILL put them to shame. If you take the theoretical maximum fpu operations of the PS3 which is 2 teraflops, it is a lot more than the theoretical maximum for any of today's PC's. If you take real world measurements, both will undoubtedly be less than their maximum, but the console will still emerge on top, for a while anyway.