Lethal or Non-lethal?

operative x · August 13th, 2003, 05:35 AM

Do you think that there are too much violence in games? And that they might cause kids to go crazy? How would you like future games made? Would you like them to be really gory or start to push to a more hand to hand non-lehtal type of play? Or should it be both but up to the player to decide? How would you play through a game?

highrock · August 13th, 2003, 12:02 PM

well personally I like the gore. but parents should watch the ratings on the games in the first place to control what there kids are playing. I wouldn't want my kids to play that stuff at a young age. maybe like at age 10 I would allow them. games are one part displaying all the gore. but what happens when they see it on tv too. it's hard to control unless you can be a 24/7 parent or baby sitter

Ming · August 13th, 2003, 02:47 PM

I say Lethal. If someone doesn't want gore in a game, don't buy it. There are plenty of games that aren't gory and provide plenty of entertainment.

dunbar · August 13th, 2003, 03:12 PM

Why should a game teach lethal force techniques? I'd rather teach peace, love and harmony, or at least skills games, but those games always seem to fall to the 'worst sellers' end of the popularity curve, which speaks badly of the gamers mindset.

As for kids going off the deep end, my 16 year old is a perfect example of it, and he only plays AofE. As soon as he got 'into' that game, he started arguing and screaming at everyone for little things, making demands which no child should make, etc. You know where I voted!

TeachAGeek · August 13th, 2003, 03:25 PM

Well I do agree with Dunbar about teaching peace, love and harmony, but I am in one of those moods today. That is why I pretty voted for choice.

Because you catch me tomorrow and I could be saying KILL THEM ALL

**GroundZero3** · August 13th, 2003, 03:30 PM

Games are a way to escape reality. To be or do something you can’t do in real life, whether it is save the world from terrorist or use your magical powers to save your race. To be honest Id say that some games opened my eyes to certain things. I.e. I played metal of honor and the expansion Spearhead for it and yes I have read the books and seen the movies of WWII and this game is far from having no gore. After this game I had a real appreciation for the young and old men who fought for our country in a time of need.

To be honest you really can't pinpoint and say video games and violence are related in what kids do these day. No kids thinking is the same and no kid goes through the same thing. I have played video games my whole life and still playing them. And not once has a tendency to use violence or kill someone have overcome me. Yes I was picked on at school, called names like fag and nerd but I never resorted to violence. Instead I took pity on them.

America media blames everyone else but the person themselves. No one is liable for there actions this day of age because there parents say “oh he was such a good kid, never lied or steal or whatever”. How many parents honestly can sit here and say they know there children especially a teenager? Hell they don’t even know themselves. To many factors in life from drug using, child abuse physical and sexual, to being denied a certain emotion when younger or not having a parent.

Maybe a push more towards the solution like some games have the ability to take the gore out of games. Of course this is a responsibility of the parent to take part of there child life and know what he/she is doing.

Sorry my rant button must be stuck

dunbar · August 14th, 2003, 09:24 AM

You would prefer to escape reality to go to that stuff? You prefer an environment of killing as opposed to spending that same duration being peaceful and teaching respect in real life?

YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! You speak for ONE person! My 16 year old son has attempted to punch his mother, and he and I have discussed his game addiction several times - at the top of his lungs, I must say - all based on his parents telling him his computer use PRIVILEGE would be revoked because of his bad conduct while he was playing AofE, Tropico, Sims and similar RPG. And you know those titles are very, very light weight compared to CW, RTCW, Duke Nukum, etc..

you are forgetting the emotions, the hormonal acceleration of simple frustration into blind stupid rage. Tell me, why is it we hear of children, who are in court for assault or murder (testimony which is recorded by stenographers, given under oath), kids tell the judge and jury things like - 'I saw it in a video game'? Remember - those are the words which the child spoke, not the media!

This stuff happens, GZ3, like it or not, or believe it or not.

**GroundZero3** · August 14th, 2003, 09:43 AM

You would prefer to escape reality to go to that stuff? You prefer an environment of killing as opposed to spending that same duration being peaceful and teaching respect in real life?

Why not? We go to movies all the time to escape reality for an hour or 2? People go on vacations to relax and escape the daily grind of life. Why not do it interactive?

YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! You speak for ONE person! My 16 year old son has attempted to punch his mother, and he and I have discussed his game addiction several times - at the top of his lungs, I must say - all based on his parents telling him his computer use PRIVILEGE would be revoked because of his bad conduct while he was playing AofE, Tropico, Sims and similar RPG. And you know those titles are very, very light weight compared to CW, RTCW, Duke Nukum, etc..

if you son has attempted to punch his mother over something, you need to get into some sort of angermangment class ASAP. my question if you believe that video games are causing such a problem in your sons life, why do you allow him to keep playing them?

You are forgetting the emotions, the hormonal acceleration of simple frustration into blind stupid rage. Tell me, why is it we hear of children, who are in court for assault or murder (testimony which is recorded by stenographers, given under oath), kids tell the judge and jury things like - 'I saw it in a video game'? Remember - those are the words which the child spoke, not the media!

This stuff happens, GZ3, like it or not, or believe it or not.

I believe it happens, but my question is where is the parent to monitor and talk to the children about what they are doing. We have so many children who are latchkey kids and are alone for several hours to entertain themselves. Different kids grow up in different situations to pinpoint where something went wrong. hell i know kids who are aggressive have a great life and dont ever really watch tv or play on the computer period. It all depends on the person.

goldenbuddha · August 14th, 2003, 09:57 AM

You would prefer to escape reality to go to that stuff? You prefer an environment of killing as opposed to spending that same duration being peaceful and teaching respect in real life?

Why not? We go to movies all the time to escape reality for an hour or 2? People go on vacations to relax and escape the daily grind of life. Why not do it interactive?

Maybe I am reading it wrong, but when I personally escape reality, I don't go looking to kill anything or anyone, virtual or otherwise. I don't go on vacation to pump lead into people. And the movies I watch don't really have a ton of gore. I like fantasy games because of the fantasy, not because I get to snipe people or whatever.

I like sex tho. I think IMO I'd rather my child watch R rated movies because they are sexual, rather than violent. But then again being sexual and being violent are both part and parcel of being a human being, we can't control ourselves too well in either regards.

**GroundZero3** · August 14th, 2003, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by goldenbuddha
You would prefer to escape reality to go to that stuff? You prefer an environment of killing as opposed to spending that same duration being peaceful and teaching respect in real life?

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Hasn’t messed me up yet Golden.

I play games to break rules of everyday life. I enjoy computer games, that is my thing. Sort of like a hobby. I get pure enjoyment with setting the bomb up as a terrorist in counterstrike because its fun. That however does not make me a terrorist or condone terrorist activities. It’s just a game and some kids just take it too far.

Curious on what sort of games you want made that had the idea of respect and peaceful teaching?