My new rig is finally coming together

[Ultima]

Hey guys,

part by part, my new rig is arriving, untill it will be complete when the AM3 stuff hits the shelves.

What I have ordered and received so far, is:

PSU: OCZ GameXstream 700W 24pins
Videocard: Sapphire 4850 1GB single slot
Cooling: Artic Accelero Twin Turbo
Harddisc: 2 x WD Caviar Black 640GB, SATAII, 32MB
Optical: Samsung SH-S223F SATA 20x dvdwriter

Yet to come is:

AMD Phenom II 2.6Ghz, 6MB cache
AM3 motherboard, probably Asus or Gigabyte
DDR3, 4GB, probably HyperX or ReaperX, not sure yet.

The reason I already ordered the stuff is cause I could get a nice price at the moment, so......What I ordered already has cost me 375 euro so far, which is pretty good for dutch prices, 400 euro is approx 518USD.

And also, most of the stuff I can already use, the harddiscs are now in my pc already, the videocard I have installed the Twin Turbo on, and my current dvdwriter was broken, so I am using the new one as well.

My total budget stretches to 1000 euros, but I am trying to keep it around 800 euros, which should be doable.

AMD is lowering it's prices, the current 2.8Ghz PhenomII will drop to 170 probably, so the AM3 2.6Ghz should be cheaper then that probably.
Motherboard will be around a 100 euros, which leaves 130 for the ram, and I checked, I can get 4GB ReaperX for 112 euros.

Lemme know what ya think, ok??

[KarmaKiller]

Looks like a pretty solid rig. Prices are crazy high on that side of the world.
Can't wait to see some benches!!

[Ultima]

Yeah, it's nothing too crazy, nice solid rig for gaming and Adobe stuff, plan on doing some Photoshopping, Illustrator etc etc, might come in handy.

I'll have time to do some benches on the 4850 by the end of this week probably.
All will still be 32bit.

I have borrowed a copy of windowsXP 64bit from a friend's work, I will be installing that on one of those new harddrives.
Then I will install everything and see if it works for me. If 64bit XP works for me, I will go out and buy a license for myself, but I don't feel like forking out 140 euros before I know if it's gonna work for me.

See if I can find my camera, I'll take some pics of the stuff.

Prices are indeed redicilious, not just euro/dollar swap, but higher prices in euros then in USD.

And I wanna start with F@H again, are the GPU and multi-core clients better now?? I never got the multicore version working correctly on my dualcore, and I couldn't get the GPU and cpu version to work alongside eachother.

[ShyguyXPC]

not sure how they were, but most of us on the team, well most of us regularly active members, seem to be running a good combination of CPU & GPU clients (myself, running CPU clients on both AMD X2 & Intel Quad, & GPU Clients on Radeon HD2600 Pro & Geforce 8800GTS 512 all at once), others like Karma up there & some others are running even more parts together fairly smoothly together, with occasional hiccups.

pop on over into the Folding@home chat thread/s, & check up or whatever.

[Ultima]

I'll be sure to get as much info on F@H as possible, and run this rig and the new one for F@H.

If all works well on the quadcore.......I will install on the following rigs as well:

X2 3800 @ 2.7Ghz with 2600XT card
Dual P3 1.4Ghz @ 1.57Ghz
Dual P3 1.0Ghz @ 1.25Ghz

That should do some nice crunching, right??

[ShyguyXPC]

your quad & X2 should pull in some nice point totals, with the video cards making the most contribution... probably would be pulling in close to what I make in PPD, Points Per Day, running all 4 clients on 2 systems.

I noticed in your other post in the DC section, you listed the X1950XT?

might even be able to run that side by side with one of the other cards, if you have a board with a spare 16x PCI-E slot, run the cards seperately but 2 GPU clients on the system, one for the X1950XT (assuming their still supported by the latest ATI GPU client), & one for the 4850 or 2600XT, depending on the system you put it in.

the two Dually P3's should pull in some points, but not nearly as much as the X2 & X4 would. Depending on if your using the Dually's for anything, if not, & your power consumption to your residence is getting a bit high, those would be the first 2 systems to shut down.

Just Ask Nunyadam about older single core CPU's, he can give you a better idea of what to expect for points production per day on them. even if their a dually system.

if the 2600XT runs as good as my 2600 Pro, which it should, even better slightly, you should be getting nearly as much PPD give or take some (maybe a bit on the latter), as an Intel Q6600 at stock speeds would.

currently nvidia 8600 & higher cards give the best PPD scores & output for F@H, which is odd, since the ATI client was the first of the GPU clients to debut... an 8600GT/GTS should easily outscore an ATI Radeon 2600 Series. but unless thats the only reason your buying vid cards, I wouldn't worry much about that...

Overall though you should be able to bring in a good 3-5 grand per day, total, easily with your setups. maybe a bit more depending on how those Phenom II AM3 chips perform.

[jasonz0rz]

I installed the multi-core Beta 6.22 on my Q6600 machine a couple days ago and it's pretty stable. Is there a TechIMO team to join or does everyone do their own thing?

[2monsters]

I installed the multi-core Beta 6.22 on my Q6600 machine a couple days ago and it's pretty stable. Is there a TechIMO team to join or does everyone do their own thing?

111 is Techimo's team# You can also visit us in the DC forum.

[Ultima]

your quad & X2 should pull in some nice point totals, with the video cards making the most contribution... probably would be pulling in close to what I make in PPD, Points Per Day, running all 4 clients on 2 systems.

I noticed in your other post in the DC section, you listed the X1950XT?

might even be able to run that side by side with one of the other cards, if you have a board with a spare 16x PCI-E slot, run the cards seperately but 2 GPU clients on the system, one for the X1950XT (assuming their still supported by the latest ATI GPU client), & one for the 4850 or 2600XT, depending on the system you put it in.

the two Dually P3's should pull in some points, but not nearly as much as the X2 & X4 would. Depending on if your using the Dually's for anything, if not, & your power consumption to your residence is getting a bit high, those would be the first 2 systems to shut down.

Just Ask Nunyadam about older single core CPU's, he can give you a better idea of what to expect for points production per day on them. even if their a dually system.

if the 2600XT runs as good as my 2600 Pro, which it should, even better slightly, you should be getting nearly as much PPD give or take some (maybe a bit on the latter), as an Intel Q6600 at stock speeds would.

currently nvidia 8600 & higher cards give the best PPD scores & output for F@H, which is odd, since the ATI client was the first of the GPU clients to debut... an 8600GT/GTS should easily outscore an ATI Radeon 2600 Series. but unless thats the only reason your buying vid cards, I wouldn't worry much about that...

Overall though you should be able to bring in a good 3-5 grand per day, total, easily with your setups. maybe a bit more depending on how those Phenom II AM3 chips perform.

The thing is, half my rig died on me, that is....the DFI board and the 1950XT, so I bought a cheap MSI K8T something, nForce4 Ultra board, with a 2600XT, cost me less then 80 euros. That rig will be used by my girl as soon as my new rig is complete.

If the crunching power of the duallies isn't all that great, then I'm not gonna add them, they do eat away on the electric bill. LOL
I only use those at the moment for my studies.

Tonight I will install the clients on my current rig, to get things started.

[Ultima]

Sweet!! Sweet!! Supersweet!!

Sorry, just doing a little dance of joy.

I contacted a friend of mine who works in a different location of the same company where I ordered the 4850 + Artic Twin Turbo and asked if I could send them back and get my money back.
He talked it over with his manager and it is ok, I get to send them back and get a full refund......and I have that in writing.

Wanna know why?? Cause the 4850 + Twin Turbo cost me 160 + 25 euro = 185

And at another shop, I found an 4870 1GB GDDR5 for 189 excl shipping, which is 5 euros, so for 9 euro more, I have the 4870, but the version with the black heatpiped cooler that covers the entire card and directs the airflow outside the case, lot better.

here's the card:

SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY RADEON HD 4870 - PCI EXPRESS 2.0 - 1 GB GDDR5 test prijsvergelijking prijs vegelijken SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY RADEON HD 4870 - PCI EXPRESS 2.0 - 1 GB GDDR5

[KarmaKiller]

Yeah, I gotta say those are some of the sexiest cards ATI has put out in a bit.
I think I myself would probably get a XFX card though, for warranty sakes. But that's just me.

Anywho, that rig is gonna be smokin fast Ultima. I know fizur put the stomp down on my bench scores with his P2 940 yesterday, and that was with just a 4850. I imagine that 4870 will be jaw dropping fast in games.

[Ultima]

Then I should be able to stomp him quite nicely when the rig is complete.

It will be faster in every way, except for harddrives perhaps....dunno if he's running uber SCSI or Raptors on Raid 0.

I just can't wait to get the stuff......I'm like a little child in the 1st hour of his 5th birthday......where are them presents....lemme atem!!! I just have to have some patience, not my strongest virtue. LOL

[KarmaKiller]

I feel your pain there. When I got my GX2, I was in between motherboards at the time. So I had to sit here for like 2 weeks waiting on a Mobo to get here so I could use it.
Talk about killin ya.
(BTW, I should mention fizur was at like 3.7Ghz when he was benching, and I'm pretty sure he's gonna have dual 4850's here soon, so you got your work cut out for you.)


So my question now, all this going into your P180? You think your gonna have any clearance issues with that GPU and case?

[Ultima]

Ohh, then I indeed will have my work cut out for me...but should be ok.

Clearance is not an issue, if the card is too long, I just remove the drivecage that is at that hight in the case, I only use the drivecage in the bottom of the case, so no worries at all.

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see that?? the drivecage just under the 5'25" bays?? that can be removed completely and I don't use it anyway, so....

[KarmaKiller]

Dur... I was thinking of the Mini P180's.. 182's I think they are called..

[Ultima]

No, the P182 is the revised version of the P180b, the link I posted is the P182, has thinner fans then the 180b.

Btw, you say Fizur stomped your bench scores, but what is your rig??

[KarmaKiller]

Q6600@3.8 (for that set of benchs)
9800gx2
2gigs
640Gb HDD's (not in RAID though)
Xp 32bit (for benchs)

He pulled like 20,7xx in 06 lastnight when I was chatting with him on X-fire.
But I think he was at just a hair under 3.7Ghz, and was reading trying to figure out how to get it higher.

[dragondreamer]

Congrats Karma, I hope you're new machine screams at incredible speeds ^^

So is the new lowered cost of the Phenom worth the trade-off for a processor that does not seem to go as fast as the Intel Quad Cores? Or are you planning on over clocking it in some way?

[Ultima]

Hey Dragondreamer,

I will be getting the Phenom II 910 or 920, depends on the price, and yes, I will be overclocking the thing ofcourse.

But Karma, how I am supposed to beat you when you have a GX2?? that is a dual card right?? Don't think the 4870 is up to par for that.
Never mind tho, found a link where it shows:

Charts, benchmarks Gaming Graphics Charts Q3/2008, 3DMark06 v1.1.0 3DMark Score

for some reason, the 4870 is just a tad slower in 3dmark then your GX2, so I should be able to beat you indeed.

Clock for clock the Phenom II is supposed to be as fast or slightly faster then the Core2Quad, at least, what is the default speed for the Q9450??

[KarmaKiller]

hey sorry, had my rig apart for a second.
Default speed is 2.66Ghz. But you can't really go by clock for clock, it's all about the architecture now.
And the GX2 is a dual card, but you'll make up the extra on your CPU score. Mine isn't/won't be as fast as what you guys are able to pull off.

@Dragon, it really depends on which Intel chip your looking at. Mine is a older Kentsfield 65nm core Quad. According to benchs, the Q9450 is about on par with the new Phenom II 920, and the Q9550 is on par with the PII 940. But the new Intel I7's are faster still, but they also cost a bit more. So really it depends on what your budget is.