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    Giving out your Wifi password

    Hi,

    I just moved into a new place and the owner's son has moved in beside me. I've only talked to him in passing, seems like a nice guy. But tonight he asked for my Wifi password. I told him yes as I was caught of guard and his Uncle (my landlord) was standing there so I felt pressured too. He said he would email me later to get it. But I'm thinking I shouldn't give it to him. I don't know this person. I worry about my banking info and I don't know if they can hack into my computer. (Don't know if he's the type, I know he's studying computers at school). I kinda feel as well why should he get it for free when I'm low income just getting by and I have to pay for it. Anyway, for security reasons is this a bad idea? I don't know all the tech stuff so was wanting your opinion. I'm guessing it's a bad idea. Now I will feel bad for saying no. He asked politely but it was as if it was a given that I would just hand it over.

    But I have to say when I was looking to rent a basement suite alot of the time internet was included in the rent. So I guess this means the landlord's hand over the password so their tenants can log on/have access? So maybe this isn't a big deal? Can someone please advise me?

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    Don't do it. Anything he does on your connection, you're liable for.

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    Agreed. And for all you know, he could be running Torrents or some other high bandwidth crap, and sucking down most of your bandwidth, leaving you with little for your own use, if your paying for your internet yourself, why should someone else be using most of it and not contributing a dime towards it?

    If his Dad or Uncle are the landlord/owner of the place, maybe he should have Them set up a wireless connection for him to use, instead of leeching off the neighbors.
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    Hmmm....and also his sister is moving in in 6 months so she will use it too. It's just kinda annoying cause they have the money obviously as they bought the house and I'm on disability trying to make ends meet and I pay for it. And I just worry about security and the other reasons you guys mentioned. Guess the owner/landlord won't be impressed with me. :/

    Anyone else have an opinion?

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    Depending on your router/WAP, you could possibly set up a second WLAN and separate it from your network...then you could apply limits and caps on what speeds and sites they can get....
    I've seen the light... It was green, flashy and attached to a Network Interface Card...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nude_Lewd_Man View Post
    Depending on your router/WAP, you could possibly set up a second WLAN and separate it from your network...then you could apply limits and caps on what speeds and sites they can get....
    Hi Nude Lewd,

    I don't understand all the tech jargon so here's a link showing you the router I have. http://www.homepna.org/products/memb..._datasheet.pdf

    It's for the internet and HDTV via fiber optic network. Do you think using this we can do as you suggested? If so how do I go about this? I'm hoping I understand your explanation.

    P.S. In doing it this way it sounds like I'm still liable for the connection they'd be using. Am I correct?
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    honestly I wouldn't share it with them if they can afford their own.

    and given your limited income.


    If the landlord has a problem with it or more precisely if his kids have a problem with that, thats his problem, if he holds it against you in anyway... there are ways of taking care of that.

    If he isn't a cheap bastard, he'll understand and look past it.


    But you can do as NLM suggested.
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    Go with the "don't do it." There's absolutely no reason for you to risk anything for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musicfreak View Post
    Hi Nude Lewd,

    I don't understand all the tech jargon so here's a link showing you the router I have. http://www.homepna.org/products/memb..._datasheet.pdf

    It's for the internet and HDTV via fiber optic network. Do you think using this we can do as you suggested? If so how do I go about this? I'm hoping I understand your explanation.

    P.S. In doing it this way it sounds like I'm still liable for the connection they'd be using. Am I correct?
    Correct, anyone using "your" WAN link (internet connection) will be able to do whatever the WAN admin (in your case, you) lets them do...and, while they should be ultimately responsible for what they do online, the first point of contact that your ISP would use would be you..

    I don't see what I want to about your "Cisco CIS330" device, but my Cisco WRV200 Wireless-G VPN Router - RangeBooster - Cisco Systems was able to do what I was talking about....

    I had my domain using one W/LAN IP range (for example, 192.168.254.x) and all my computers, servers, etc used to use it. The WLAN

    I set up a different VLAN for guests to access, so that they couldn't get onto my servers (and therefore my data) which used a different WLAN, and also meant that I could restrict the sites they could get to, what speeds they could get, and what types of connections (ports) they could use...


    For reference:
    LAN = Local Area Network = your network, inside your home
    WAN = Wide Area Network = the internet
    WLAN = Wireless LAN
    W/LAN = LAN and WLAN combination - for example, where you have devices using the LAN and other devices using the WLAN
    VLAN = Virtual LAN Virtual LAN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Tell him it's 12345678. Then feign ignorance when it doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osprey4 View Post
    Tell him it's 12345678. Then feign ignorance when it doesn't work.
    You're presuming their key isn't that.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whir View Post
    Go with the "don't do it." There's absolutely no reason for you to risk anything for them.
    Exactly. Not worth the risk, in any shape or form. Even if they were dead broke themselves.

    Perhaps they will ask for your car keys next, just in case he needs it. The point is, don't do it. Security risks, legal risks, too much to even think twice on it.

    Your ISP will not care if they were the one doing it (illegal activity), as you are the owner of it.

    Besides, do you really want someone bogging down your connection?
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    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for all the advice. I think I will go with what you say and my initial gut instinct which was to say no. The guy next door may be fine but I don't know a thing about him so why risk security and legal issues. I've got enough headaches in my life. And as Solo said he could bog down my connection. He is 18 years old and I'm sure is into downloading games and movies etc. I did a quick Google before asking you guys and they said you really shouldn't give out your password to friends, even your Mom! lol!

    So I guess I have to be the bad guy and say no, but hey I pay for it. I can't even believe I was asked. I would never do that. I'd pay for my own. I don't like to leech on to others. They're just being cheap or too lazy to set it up. But hey how lazy can you be when you just have to make a quick phone call.

    Thanks again.
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    and if the kid is going for computers, he can get his own connection and learn to set it up himself, chalk it up to additional learning experience that will help him in his studies and career field.
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    Tell him to go to hell! Your liable for anything that's downloaded on your end. For example, child porn. DON'T DO IT! Pluse make sure your using WPA encryption. Use this to create a 64 random hexadecimal characters password. https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

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    If you're not comfortable telling him no then you could also just say your connection is too slow or like said above, be ignorant.

    Or give him the password and constantly disconnect the router every 10 minutes to and then change the password a few days later. Just tell him you have no idea what's wrong. :P

    But really you shouldn't have to. Just say no, its a horrible idea.
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    Thanks guys. Obviously the consensus is it's a bad idea so I won't. I just don't know him and even if I did......

    Taxman I'll look at your suggestion.

    I have another question.......when I was searching for a basement suite to rent a lot included the internet. What if the situation is reverse and I'm using theirs? I wouldn't be liable. Would you do it or would you always have your own connection? I guess the security issue is always there and them bogging down the connection etc. so maybe it's best to have your own? I just wanted to know for the next time I move since the tenants above me right now are so freaking noisy. Is it a bad idea to use their internet when it's included in the rent? I never gave it much thought to tell you the truth as there are tons of places that do this so I thought it was OK. Right now, I'm kinda glad the new place I moved into doesn't have it included by what you guys are saying.

    What a great forum for newbs like me!

    Thanks again!

    P.S. Since there are no replies to my last question I take it it's a no when the internet is offered in your rent. Will definitely avoid that!
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    Using internet that's included is kinda like having the option of hitching a ride in a car included...you can choose to use it, if you trust them, or you can elect to make your own way from there...

    Personally, I'm in a different situation, as we own this house and don't share any rooms out - so there's no need to feck about splitting the network out (but I used to anyway) with VLANs, or setting up internal firewalls to limit access from one LAN segment to another.......and when I lived elsewhere and shared, we trusted each other (my friends moved into my gaff) and I didn't have a server at the time...

    If you get WAN access included, then you can choose to go with it and use it; but if you don't trust them (note that I'm not saying that you distrust them, just that you don't trust them...there's a difference) then you can just set yourself up with a firewall to stop them getting into your machine/s...

    Just my two pence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nude_Lewd_Man View Post
    Using internet that's included is kinda like having the option of hitching a ride in a car included...you can choose to use it, if you trust them, or you can elect to make your own way from there...

    Personally, I'm in a different situation, as we own this house and don't share any rooms out - so there's no need to feck about splitting the network out (but I used to anyway) with VLANs, or setting up internal firewalls to limit access from one LAN segment to another.......and when I lived elsewhere and shared, we trusted each other (my friends moved into my gaff) and I didn't have a server at the time...

    If you get WAN access included, then you can choose to go with it and use it; but if you don't trust them (note that I'm not saying that you distrust them, just that you don't trust them...there's a difference) then you can just set yourself up with a firewall to stop them getting into your machine/s...

    Just my two pence...
    Hi Newd Lude,

    Yeah, that's the thing, is trusting them when you don't know them. (Friends are different). If they had the networks seperated then I'd feel better but I guess they'd still have the control. I'd make sure I had a firewall I guess. I'll have to look into it next time I move which could be soon at this rate!

    Thanks!

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