Building a PC problems...help

[thisiszero]

One problem, Im building my boss a pc and Im trying to take the old quantum 10gb HDD and put it into the new system as the master. I have a Maxtor 40gb HDD set up as the slave but the puter doesnt see it anywhere. I think this is due to the fact that the quantum is a scsi hard drive and has to run through a scsi card to the mobo.

I bought a epox 8kha+ and a amd 1700.

The question here is should I make the Maxtor the master and the quantum scsi the slave. How would I make the quantum a slave as there arent any jumpers in the back of it?

I also cant get the drivers for the Asus GF2TI installed properly and it only allows 16 bit color on a really small screen setting. Smaller than 600x800 I think. Each time I try and change the setting to 32bit and 1024x768 it asks to reboot and I allow it to. When win98 boots back up it says the settings arent right and kicks it back to 16bit and 600x800. What could be the problem here?

Any ideas are appreciated.

[Emc2]

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I think this is due to the fact that the quantum is a scsi hard drive and has to run through a scsi card to the mobo.

That's exactly right...you need a scsi controller, which the motherboard you bought does not have...you can get a pci scsi controller sorta cheap these days, but as for setting it up so it will boot, I'm not exactly sure how. You can't run a SCSI drive on an IDE controller.

Also, if you click Advanced on the Settings tab of the display properties (where you set resolution/color depth), you can tell it to apply the changes without restarting...try it then...if you get nothing but a black screen then it's either your monitor or your video card. If you could give your monitor's specs (or brand/model), that'd be great.

For now, if he needs it immediately or can't spend any $ on a controller card, the only hard drive you can use is the Maxtor 40GB as Primary IDE master.

[Derek79602+]

The drives will be on different channels- one on the SCSI and one on the IDE. Therefore they can be the master each on their respective controller. I am thinking your question is actually pertaining to boot disk vs data disk, right? That should be accomplished using Fdisk utility, although I've never had a scsi boot disk, so I don't know how Fdisk would see it and be able to make it active.

[DanU]

In the world of SCSI, there is no such thing as master and slave.

Have you checked the termination on both the hard drive and the SCSI adapter? Remember that the SCSI bus has to be terminated at each end. Devices in the middle of the chain must NOT be terminated. Improper termination can cause your adapter to not see the devices.

In order to boot to a SCSI disk, you'll need a SCSI adapter that supports booting to the hard drive. Not all do. Maybe if you post the make/model of the SCSI adapter we can find out for you.

Depending on the SCSI adapter and motherboard, if there is an IDE disk in the system, the computer will not boot to the SCSI disk.

Once your SCSI system is properly set up, you can fdisk and format a SCSI disk just like a IDE disk.

[John C. Dechon]

You've made it hard on yourself trying to use a SCSI HD and an only 10GB one at that...it may not be worth the trouble you may be in for.

SCSI devices have often been problematical to get working and in my experience SCSI -- unless the reason is compelling -- are best avoided. Find an old 10 GB (if you must) IDE/EIDE HD and make life easier!

John D.

[thisiszero]

He wanted the scsi on the system, I warned against it, but he wants it. I'll try and convince him to use the 40gb maxtor instead. How hard is Norton Ghost to use? It came w/ the motherboard.

[DanU]

Using Ghost does require some reading of the manual, but it's not rocket science.

An easier alternative would be to use the MaxBlast software to copy the old drive data to the new drive. You should be able to download it from Maxtor' web site.

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BTW, I agree with John that you really should ditch the 10GB SCSI drive. The 40GB drive will most likely be faster.

[RamonGTP]

I'm not too familiar with how you'd set it up, but someone correct me if i'm wrong, wouldn't you have to go into the BIOS and select SCSI as a boot device, instead of IDE-0??? I do know there is no master/slave for SCSI devices, and you'll probebly want to run that IDE drive in either MASTER or CableSelect mode since its not actually a slave.

-Ramon

The only prob with using MaxBlast or another HDD man software might be that it prolly won't recognise the SCSI drive - most of these things are written for IDE only. I could be wrong though. Check their site and see. They may have other software for SCSI drives - I think Seagate/Quantum does at least, but it might not let you clone to a Maxtor...

Haven't used Ghost but I would think it would support SCSI HDD's. Might be the best way.

Cheers
Mick

[PartsMan]

I'll start by saying, "I know nothing !" when it comes to SCSI.

That aside ~ I run various HDDs all in the same PC (for various reasons and applications). I have four. Any one separately; or any two in any combination, can be run in my PC with no more than a turn of a key and a warm boot. This is done quickly and effortlessly by utilizing two "Hot-swap" drawers.

All of my (IDE) HDDs are set as masters.
My CD-ROM and CD-burner are my primary and secondary slaves.

The ribbons (order of connection) designates them to be the Pimary or Secondary, Master or Slave.
Ribbon 1 = Primary; Ribbon 2 = Secondary;
End of ribbon = Master; Middle of ribbon = Slave.

Hint ~ I use two ribbons. Each ribbon has the Mobo end and place to connect two (IDE) devices. The HDD drawers are connected to the last (or end) connection of each ribbon; whereas the CDs are connected in the center connection of each ribbon. Yes, the CD's are also both set to slave via the jumper pins; the HDDs are all set as Masters in the same fashion.

Even though you (probably) aren't using drawers, you can do the same thing with any four IDE devices, and those duplex ribbons.

I've re-read this before posting it and do realize I've said the same thing in many ways ...... but it's too late to fix it all now.