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July 3rd, 2013, 01:33 AM #1
Upgrade PC or shoot for the PS4? Decisions, decisions...
My specs are in sig. I've been a PC gamer for quite some time now and ever since I've been reading up the exciting news and the specs on the PS4 (8-core APU, 8GB unified GDDR5, developer friendly..yummy!) I'd figure it would be the time to try the consoles again (I miss the Dreamcast..). My Q9450 is at bone stock speeds (2.66GHZ) with an Asetek closed-liquid cooling solution and I was wanting to upgrade from my ATI 5850 to the more powerful Nvidia GTX 680 (roughly same price as PS4). I know there is a bottleneck due to the aging LGA 775 CPU and I am tight on cash for a complete overhaul because altogether with the parts will come out to be a bit more than the PS4 for a decent PC (you know it will!). I know some of that bottleneck can be somewhat reduced by overclocking..however, I don't see myself doing anything too ridiculous with it. I would probably look at hitting 3.2 GHZ if I can. For CPU-dependent games (like GTA IV, for example), I know I would still be losing out with my CPU, overclocked or not. However, on majority of PC games out on the market I should be fine, right? Before anybody comments on their recommendations to build a new PC from scratch, I'm only interested in these two things - either change the GPU one last time/OC Q9450 or simply go for the PS4, leave my PC the way it is and build one later down the road. I know I'm kind of giving some dumb options here, but it's what I'm interested in doing. So my question is, on average, would the bottleneck be THAT bad non-CPU dependent games if I were to pair up the GTX 680 with the Q9450 (gaming @ 1080p, max settings)?
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July 3rd, 2013, 02:11 AM #2
Or opt for a lesser GPU Option, Geforce GTX 760 would be good, its basically a refresh of the GTX 670, but cheaper price tag at $250.
The GPU would still be more powerful than what the PS4/XB1 have.
those Consoles also have 8 Core CPU's, but they're AMD Jaguar 8 Cores... not sure on the XB1, but the PS4, its only clocked in at 1.6Ghz, so its a very low powered, weaker 8 Core.
As it is now, AMD 8 cores, at BEST match Intel's top end Quad cores.
Even AMD's Phenom II X4 Quads at best matched Intels Core 2 Quad series.
So your still good to go for most gaming on that Quad, maybe OC a bit towards the 3GHz-ish range.
Granted Consoles games are more optimized for the hardware they have in the console, but pure performance wise, the PC Hardware you have could easily match the PS4 specs. the PS4 GPU is about on par with a Radeon HD 7870, which is still weaker than the GTX 670/760.
760 vs 7870: AnandTech | Bench - GPU13
760 vs 670: AnandTech | Bench - GPU13
If it were me, and I was torn between the two options, I'd opt for the GTX 760, shell out $250... toss it in, and OC the C2Q. Then with money saved on the 760, over the next several months until the PS4 comes out, save up some more, for the console purchase.
I don't game as much as I used, but my current system specs (in my sig) are able to get me through many modern games on High settings just fine, some on max settings, at 1080p, with very playable Framerates.
Take for example Metro 2033, had that running maxed out, 40+fps easily.
Haven't tried Crysis 3, or some others yet, but the system overall is still VERY capable for most PC gaming out there.
my SLI GTX 560 Ti setup, performance wise is about on par with a GTX 670/760, only thing holding it back is the 1GB Framebuffer on the cards, really wish I had 2GB or so per card, for some games.
July 3rd, 2013, 02:47 AM #3
Hmm..thanks ShyguyXPC. The GTX 760 sounds like a fantastic deal at that price point - didn't even know about it..I can't keep up with the hardware anymore, haha. I don't even think it's honestly worth it to spend $150 more on the GTX 680 (or the GTX 770, for that matter) over the GTX 760 for some extra frames on an older system like mine that's already a bottleneck..it's a no-brainer and I'll end up selling the 5850..maybe I can get both the PS4 and this!
Looking at this:
Radeon HD 5850 vs GeForce GTX 760
It seems to still be a nice jump from my 5850 with the GTX 760 having more pros.
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July 3rd, 2013, 03:29 AM #4
yeah, GTX 760 just came out about a week or so ago, so its still new, the 770 (GTX 680 Refresh) was out a week or two before that, and about a week or two before that was the GTX 780 (which is just a reduced spec GTX Titan). And we're still waiting on the AMD Radeon HD 8000 series, the Mobile 8000's are out, but not the Desktop versions, still some confusion on whether they're going with the 8000 naming, or jumping to HD 9000 naming as well.
just comparing the 5850 to a GTX 670 its 100% increase at least in many games at higher settings as well
AnandTech | Bench - GPU12
Even a more mundane GTX 660 AnandTech | Bench - GPU12
Or Radeon 7870 is a decent jump as well.
AnandTech | Bench - GPU12
About $200 starting price for GTX 660's: Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Video Cards & Video Devices, Desktop Graphics Cards, GeForce GTX 600 series, GeForce GTX 660
$200-225 for 7870's: Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Video Cards & Video Devices, Desktop Graphics Cards, Radeon HD 7000 series, Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition
Best thing too, with the 760, unlike my 560 Ti's, is it uses the same amount of power, about 170W, (as the GTX 670, and my 560 Ti's, though I run 2, so its more like 340W LOL), but like the 670, it supports up to Triple SLI configurations... so down the road if you ever built a newer more capable rig, and able to find the 760's at cheaper pricing, be it refurbished, used, whatever, you could easily toss in a 2nd or 3rd for SLI, but then again, by that time would probably be a single better card out anyways. But at least has the capability.
One thing I wish my 560 Ti's had (besides 2GB memory), was Tri SLI capable, but their only Dual SLI. My mobo can support a 3rd card if I wanted to, and the i7 940/X58 Chipset has 36 PCI Express lanes, so has no problem running a x16, x8, x8 SLI configuration at 2.0 spec bandwidth. Can actually run at x16, x8, x8, x4 with four cards if I wanted, just have to get creative with mounting a 4th card in the case some how (3 cards and a PhysX card)
My GTX 470 is Tri SLI capable, but its too hot running, loud and power hungry to even think of running 2, let alone 3.
So the single is put into a rig for my Brother, though lately I've been looking at picking up a 2nd used one for cheap, for SLI for his system.
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July 3rd, 2013, 04:32 AM #5
I ended up buying the GTX 760; I think it's the best fit for me. Even better, it's the SC edition from EVGA..faster than reference which should help with like an additional 2-3 extra frames in some games. Lol. I was originally looking at the Gigabyte Windforce 3-fan design (seen here) and even though it's OC'd a bit faster and priced the same ($260), I trust EVGA products more and I don't think that card would have fit in my case anyhow due to it's lengthier nature from those fans. Not only that, but the EVGA is a sexier-looking card overall!
The EVGA GTX 760 SC Edition was unfortunately sold out on Newegg, but I was able to get it for $260 shipped off Amazon (free super saver shipping):
Amazon.com: EVGA EVGA GeForce GTX760 SuperClocked w/EVGA ACX Cooler 2GB GDDR5 256bit, Dual-Link DVI-I, DVI-D, HDMI,DP, SLI Ready Graphics Card (02G-P4-2765-KR) Graphics Cards 02G-P4-2765-KR: Computers & Accessories
Thanks for all your input! Now..time to OC my Q9450, sell my 5850 and get that PS4 (once it comes out, of course, haha)!
EDIT: I'm also glad to go back to Nvidia for some reason (had a Geforce 4 MX 440/6600GT/7900GTO/9800GTX/8800GTS in past, with the 5850 being my first ATI...some mostly an Nvidia guy)...I had some bad experiences with this 5850. BSOD'ing quite often while playing games and LONG boot time (saw that there is a BIOS update for my mobo that fixes it that relates to the 5850). Not to mention..I'll be getting the PhysX back! Yay!
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July 3rd, 2013, 05:23 AM #6
Going with the graphics card, you at least have the option to throw it into a new build in the future if you change your mind about upgrading the processor and motherboard.
July 3rd, 2013, 10:33 AM #7
Cool, yeah the 760 is a great deal right now. Been waiting on it for a long time since I heard about it months and months ago.
Sucks for me, because my two 560 Ti's are about the same performance, no sense in selling those to get a single card that performs the same....
Though I'm trying to Overclock my 560 Ti's to 975Mhz and eventually 1GHz on the cores, so if I fry one, maybe I can just drop $250 for a single 760, and then be set.
Thing is I don't really have $250 to drop, LOL.
Anyways, the only advantage the 760 has for me right now, a single card performs the same as both of mine, uses the power of just one of mine, has twice the frame buffer, and supports Tri SLI, but even with all that, its still not a step UP from what I have, LOL.
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