June 19th, 2005, 07:08 PM #1
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Help please with choosing a new graphics card
I hope im in the right place,
ok I got this system,.
Dell Dimension 2300, 2.6ghz 512 ram and the old PCI bus no AGP or PCI
I know, I could do with a better PC system but I would like to get the best out of this for now while playing the new Battlefield2 game and I need to get a new Graphics card that will handle this new demands of this game, what is the BEST i could squeeze out of this PC and what card would I need to do it.
the spec from them (BF2) aint very specific and I know little . .!
thanks even if you just read this
June 19th, 2005, 07:26 PM #2
Hmmm... Okay... The game perfers NVidia, however that doesn't matter all that much.
If you do decide to stick to NVidia, I'd recommend the 6600gt. Very nice card for a very low price (about 150-200 USD). It only has 128mb ram, but that's not bad.
I'd say that the radeon 9800 xt is about the equivalent of the 6600 in ATI. Although, it has 256mb ram on it, so that's nice (About the same price).
Either of those cards could run the game very nicely and for a reasonable price, imo.
I have an ati radeon 9800 xt 256mb, and it will let me run the game (BF2 Demo) at 1280x960 at 75hz wil all settings all the way up with little or no slow down.
So, I definately recommend the 9800, and I've seen the 6600gt in action as well, and I saw it running through pci-e, but it's not much better/worse than the 9800 that I could tell when it was running doom 3.
SO, either way you're probably good...
Later, let use know a price range and processor type if you want an even better idea of a card that you may want.Intel Core i7-860 OCed to 4.0GHz | ASUS P7P55D-E | G.Skill 8192MB (4x2048MB) RAM | MSI GTX 280 | 2x Seagate 160GB 7200.11 RAID 0
June 19th, 2005, 07:33 PM #3
June 19th, 2005, 07:52 PM #4
There's no way you'll be able to get Battlefield 2 to play on that.
It won't run on my PC with 3.0 GHz and 1 GB of RAM, why would it run on that?
You need to buy some more RAM in my opinion.My PC:37" 1080p Sceptre LCD - ASUS VENTO Case - 500w Ultra PSU - P5B Deluxe - e4300 @ 3.4ghz - 4GB DDR800 - VistionTek HD3870 - Plantronics DSP-500
June 19th, 2005, 08:31 PM #5
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Might need to look at a new Mb if yours dosnt have AGP or PCI E, im not certain but i thought all PCI cards were pretty wack.
Unfortunatly the likes of a 6600gt arnt available in PCI.
June 19th, 2005, 08:49 PM #6
RetroEvolute, did you even read that he has no AGP or PCI-e???
Anyways, the best PCI card is probably a 5500 or a rare 5700le, but the bottom line is both of those cards are rare, and they're a big rip off, they're very overpriced, they can be found for 70-100 bucks each. Neither one of those 2 cards will be able to play BF2 above the absolute lowest settings.
June 19th, 2005, 09:00 PM #7Originally Posted by DarkStar02
The fastest card avalible for a pci slot is the 5700 LE, which is low to partially med settings.
You could get a dimension 4700...
Dude, you should check out what I did to my dell!
Here: www.techimo.com/forum/t143792.html"The problem with quotations on the internet is that the sources are hard to verify" - Abraham Lincoln
June 21st, 2005, 04:13 AM #8
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Guys, many thanks so much advice, let me check a few out and come back here ,!!!
nearly shite myself when you said i wouldn't b able to get BF2 to run at all, at the mo im getting conflicting info from loads of diff places but only here have you guys had any exp of trying it on BF2
My only reason for buying another card is I have seen how my All-in-Wonder 64mbVE struggles with BF1942.
cards I have looked at are
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 256MB DDR PCI DVI & TV-OUT Dual Head
thou 5200 is out as it has to be dx9.0 yeh!
but i dunno, if I'm honest I wouldn't know which to choose, I just want the best out of my computer for playing BF2 and i aint too bothered about the price, oh and remember, the power output on this (Killer Beast from hell) is 200w
I tried this question on the Dell forum, one dude there who seemed knowledgable on these things but not a fan of Dell said the processors are vastly underated by Dell, (well they would wouldn't they) but he had no idea about BF2 so no use!!!
thanks again guys
June 21st, 2005, 04:15 AM #9
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lol, nice job on yer comp, man if i tried that %!@#$%
June 21st, 2005, 04:36 AM #10
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Reply to Retro
hey retro thanks for your advice but i think it is becoming clear that the problem I have is a bottle kneck called PCI (I have no AGP or PCI-Express slots),. I need a PCI Card that will run BF2 as best a possible, I'm sure me processor at 2.6ghz will have no problem, and RAM can be added to as required. I have no knowledge of the cards required for BF2.
I have an All-in-Wonder 64mgVE in at the mo and it won't run it at all, so whatever goes in has to top that at the least and run on 200w power supply, i fear the worst!!!!
June 21st, 2005, 11:46 AM #11
hell if you can get that 5700non-LE, you might as well be able to run BF2 with minimal lag on something above lowest settings
June 21st, 2005, 03:26 PM #12
Thanks, I just love my mods!
If you are lucky you might be able to find a 5700, but the most powerfull pci card that I could find is the 5700LE.
That psu is 250w, it is the same one that I used to have in mine. It is plenty powerfull enough for a 5700.
My bro has the old 5200 that came with my dell when I bought it, and that runs ok at low settings, but a 5700 should be a little better."The problem with quotations on the internet is that the sources are hard to verify" - Abraham Lincoln
June 21st, 2005, 04:39 PM #13
Hey, sorry dude, I didn't catch the paart about the no PCI-e or AGP... However, this is a nice card that works in just plain PCI. The whole problem atfer that though is whether or not the card will work out w/ your PSU (Power Supply Unit). At this point, this'd be probably the best kind of PCI card that you can get for your situation, b ut you might have to upgrade your PSU in the end. Hopefully you know how to switch out your PSUs if that's the case (in which I'm sure the Techimo community could help)
I believe that Best Buy carries a PCI 5500 as well, one of my friends got one there, worked out well for him (He had a small PSU as well).Intel Core i7-860 OCed to 4.0GHz | ASUS P7P55D-E | G.Skill 8192MB (4x2048MB) RAM | MSI GTX 280 | 2x Seagate 160GB 7200.11 RAID 0
June 21st, 2005, 07:51 PM #14
His standard 250 watt psu will be fine, I used a 6800 GT for 6 months with mine(I had exactly the same case and everything as his except mine has an agp slot)."The problem with quotations on the internet is that the sources are hard to verify" - Abraham Lincoln
June 21st, 2005, 09:23 PM #15
Again EXreaction, you should learn not to use absolutes...
try saying "should" be fine...
And alot of people here would TOTALLY disagree with even THAT statement... Most people would consider you lucky you didnt blow your whole machine by using such an underpowered PSU for that kind of upgrade...
But I digress,,,,
What kind of CPU and memory is it...
P4 or Celeron
SDRam or DDR
if money isnt the biggest concern you could get a new case PSU, mobo AND a decent video card and use the old drives CPU and meory to have a MUCH better, MUCH more upgradeable setup...
You could do it for under $200
Video card...9800Pro for less than $100 refurbished from Newegg
June 21st, 2005, 10:32 PM #16
Well, when I got my dim 4600, you could upgrade it to a 9800, and with that it would still have the standard psu, so I am 100% sure it will be fine.
He has DDR, and I am pretty sure that is a celeron, but I it could be a P4.
June 22nd, 2005, 12:55 AM #17
Sorry but no, you CANT be 100% HIS will be fine...
I have extended experience with just that type of upgrade NOT being fine...
Like I said, you got lucky once... most people who do any kind of real upgrade to a Dell like that end up either blowing the PSU, having random restarts, random glitches/problems due to poor rail voltages, and underpowered rails...
Trust me YOU got lucky...
Dell and others are notorious for using PSU's just BARELY rated for the components in them.... This is what they consider "job protection"
Then again.... dont I remember you having PSU problems due to just this type of situation?
Originally Posted by EXreaction
Originally Posted by EXreactionOriginally Posted by EXreaction
Last edited by JPMiller; June 22nd, 2005 at 01:10 AM.
June 22nd, 2005, 02:23 AM #18
That was after about 6 months of punishment with a 6800 GT, not with a 5700 LE pci card.
June 22nd, 2005, 02:58 AM #19
Now let's all stop arguing, what someone says is from THEIR experience, and we can let them believe whatever they want.
Right now, we gotta help ScabbyUnderpants with his problem.
Originally Posted by JPMiller
But what I would suggest, since this sounds like he's just going for a temporary solution until he can afford, and needs a newer computer, and buying all those parts may not even be worth it if he's not going to be using the computer too much longer. I'd just go for what I suggested earlier.
Originally Posted by RetroEvolute
Go here (http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/) to check your recommended PSU, and tell it that you have the video card I/you/someone else suggested, whichever you choose, and then you can better judge whether or not your current PSU can handle it.
Then you can make some purchases and decisions.
Later, hope I helped.
Just realized that the 5500 is not on the PSU estimation site, so just go to the next step up to truely assure things. (5600)
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June 22nd, 2005, 03:43 AM #20
Ya, I'm sick of arguing.
If you want to you can put in an atx psu, since the one in your dell is pretty much standard, and that 5700 LE, so it would cost $60(for the card if bought refurb) + $40 or so for a psu.
Here is a link for a refurb 5700 LE:
Otherwise if you got some extra $$ you could build one:
CHAINTECH S1689 Socket 939 ULi M1689 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
SUNBEAM AC-HUVB UV Blue Clear Acrylic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
TOSHIBA Black IDE DVD Burner Model SD-R5372 BLK W/SW - OEM
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST380817AS 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
KINGMAX SuperRAM 512MB (2 x 256MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model MPXC22D-2K - Retail
THERMALTAKE Silent PurePower TT-420AD(DUAL FAN) ATX 420W Power Supply - Retail
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3000BPBOX - Retail
XFX PVT43GNDF3 Geforce 6600GT 128MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
Total(before tax): $672.70
I think that this would be awsome for gaming, but I'm sure that the next person who posts will reccommend a socket 754.
It is up to you, but whatever you decide everyone is here to help you!
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