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Old July 8th, 2005, 04:51 PM   Digg it!   #1 (permalink)
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RADEON x700 problems! Help!

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Bit of a long one there, and conscious this is my first post, but please please please could anyone help out with the following X700-related problem? It's a bit of a long one, but I though I'd be thorough so if any helpful soul out there is reading they're fully clued up on the problem - my computer's specs are at the bottom....

I bought 512 MB DDR (PC2100) RAM along with a Sapphire Radeon X700 AGP 8x card, (not the Pro or XT model, just the basic X700). The RAM I managed to fit fine with no problems, the"see basic information about your computer" option in Control Panel showing 768 MB RAM (thenew 512 plus my old 256). So no apparent problems there - I mention it in case it's relevant to the problem with the graphics card below (although I doubt it is!).

Before installing the X700, I read up online on hints and tips for fitting graphics cards (no documentation in box!), and so was careful throughout to avoid damaging the contacts or the board by gripping in the right places/being gentle in physically fitting the card, and to avoid static, by doing it on a tiled kitchen floor in bare feet and earthing myself before touching the components of the comp or new card.

First, I de-installed the drivers for my old NVidia GeForce 4 MX400 card, restarted, then switched off and opened the tower up. I took out the old card very easily, no niggles, just a firm pull and it popped out. I put the new board in (again, no problems, the clips clipping into place of their own accord, only a firm push required), connected it to the internal power supply as directed, and powered up. I installed the drivers along with numerous other ATI applications that self-installed, and was prompted to restart, which I did.

When the boot sequence reached the first XP screen (i.e. the one with the sky-blue background and the user account icons and password box), a serious distortion appeared. The top three inches or so of the screen were completely obscured by close-packed multicoloured horizontal lines, and the remainder obscured by wider-spaced sky-blue horizontal lines interspersed with colours which I suppose were bits of the user account icons meant to appear on that screen. The only way I could tell it was the first XP screen was by the sky-blueness of the bottom horizontal lines! After about fifteen secs, the comp *clicked* off, restarted and got me through to the screen prompting for "start in safe mode" or "start with last known settings that worked". Only last known settings worked, and upon getting back into XP, the Found New Hardware wizard popped up telling me to install the drivers (perhaps unsurprisingly seeing as I'd presumably just wiped the old ones by starting with last known good settings!). Also one of those annoying boxes appeared asking me if I'd like to send an error report because my system had just "recovered from a serious shutdown".

I've tried physicaly re-installing the card a few times, and installing the most up-to-date drivers from ATI's website, with no change in the problem. I don't reckon it's the RAM upgrade... I'm not exceeding my RAM limit and the comp shows the RAM properly installed. The only things I'm thinking might be the problem are that:

(1) my AGP slot is incompatable. The x700 is 8x, but my slot is 4x (I looked up the specs for my motherboard at MSI's website, http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...07-L&class=mb). However, ATI's website itself notes that the 4x slot is OK (at
http://www.ati.com/products/RADEONx7...ONx700series/), and I've heard from online discussion boards that 8x AGP cards are generally compatible with 4x slots, although may run a little slower - so overall I don't think I've got a problem there;

(2) my power supply is inadequate. I think this is the most likely cause - the *click* as the card freezes as it boots up is suggestive, like there's been a power-down. I have a 250W PSU, and ATI "recommends" 300W minimum. However, surely this is only "recommended", not a "minimum" (I'm thinking of the similar system for games where they have min. and recommended system setups for running the game). If 300W was a definite minimum, wouldn't ATI have said? I'm reluctant to give this possible problem an attempted solution by forking out for a
new PSU, unless it's really likely to be the problem;

(3) there's some sort of incompatibility with my monitor. As noted, it's a MITAC LC552 flastscreen, but what's making me think this is less likely the problem is that the X700 has an indentical VGA connecter to my old Nvidia GeForce 4 MX440, and I just unplugged my monitor lead from the old card's VGA connector and re-plugged it into the new card's one. So surely there's no difference and this isn't likely to be the problem?

Please can anybody point me in the right direction or give any hints/tips, especially they're opinion on the likelihood of it being the PSU causing the problem.... desparate to play some new games!

Many thanks

Mark

My system specs are as follows (I'm going to go for overkill in case it's relevant):

MANUFACTURER/MODEL: Microstar (MSI) Model PCMT5
TYPE: ME MT 103
(although note re both of above that system scan tool at www.crucial.com reveals model (motherboard?) to be MS6507, specs at http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...507-L&class=mb)
PRIMARY SLAVE: DVD Rom 16x IDE
SECONDARY SLAVE: CD Rom R/W ATAPI
VIDEO: VGA/EGA
DRIVE A: 3.5 Inch, 1.44 MB
DRIVE B: <none>
BIOS: 1.55 (04/24/2002)
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.2 GHz
FSB/MULTIPLICATOR: 100 Hz * 22.0
CACHE: 512K
SDRAM SLOT 0: 512 DDR PC2100
SDRAM SLOT 1: 256 DDR PC2100
FRONTSIDE BUS: 100 MHz
PSU: 250W max

Running Windows XP SP2

Other: BT Voyager 205 ADSL Modem, USB linked to comp, MITAC LC552 flatscreen, basic (supplied with comp) speakers, own power supply.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 05:07 PM     #2 (permalink)
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I'm heavily leaning towards the power supply. A 250watt is not enough for that card. Watts aren't the only thing that make the diff aswell. If it has unstalbe voltage's especially on the +12v rail then it will not run.

By chance do you have any friends, or anybody you know that has a stronger PSU?

or do you have another computer you could try that videocard in?
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Old July 8th, 2005, 05:08 PM     #3 (permalink)
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I would definatly try a different psu, I had a prob like that with my old psu that was a 250w with a 6800 GT.

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Old July 8th, 2005, 05:36 PM     #4 (permalink)
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Thx

Thanks very much indeed for the advice - very kind of you to help out with what I realise is essentially a bone question! Thought I would seek the advice of those more experienced in these things first tho.... it's the first time I've ever fiddled with a graphics card, so it's new territory for me.

I'm toying with the idea of a 400W PSU; do you reckon that's going to be enough? I've read about a lot of these cards needing around 70 - 100W, so I reckon that'd do it?
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400W from a good brand would work
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Sorry forgot to answer Solo - I do have friends (lol!) but none with a PC with a stronger supply in order to try it out on theirs...... ure helpful comments re the stability of the 12 V rail are duly noted for further investigation........

Thx for the 400 W suggestion too!
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Thanks once again one and all for your help and friendly advice; I very much appreciate it - I'll definitely hunt down a 400W-ish PSU (and recommend the board to mates as a friendly forum!!)

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Go for the TT PurePower that duckhunter linked, it is a great psu, and it is pretty quiet, but the best part is the $40 price tag!
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this worked for me....

good evening,

first of all, i'm am a newbie when it comes to this video card stuff, but i'll share what worked for me.

I recently purchased a AGP ATI Radeon X700 Pro (256 ram) for my Dell 4600 series computer. I followed the directions to the letter. I unistalled my drivers for my integrated video card, powered it off, installed the Radeon, plugged in my moniter into my Radeon, turned it on and WHAM. nothing..... so i unplugged the the monitor, plugged it in the original connection and turned on the computer in safe mode. I system restored my computer to an earlier time. now, back to square one. I repeated this ENTIRE process around 2 or 3 times before i figured out that somethings wrong. well, several hours later and surfing the net for help and solutions. I read something that helped. the article said that he had a similar problem but the culprit was his PCI slots. So, i said "what the heck". I went to my device manager - other devices - PCI simple comm contr and DISABLED it.

I then went back and did the entire process (unistall drivers etc... ), said a little prayer and turned the computer on and WHAM!!! IT WORKED. Windows came up with "found new ...". I Cancelled all of those and installed my drivers. So, after 7 long hours of feeling hopeless and confused, it worked. I hope this helps!
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