so u cant crossfire with a HD 4850 and a 4870?

[Niforean]

To RamonGTP,

Nvidia are NOT quiting the chipset business, their official statement about that rumor was that it was exactly that, an unfounded rumour. Look at the NVNews press release board for last month or the month before.

The X58 also NATIVELY supports SLI and Crossfire. A deal between Nvidia and Intel. There are no "extra costs" for enabling SLI on an X58 motherboard.

As for your talk about "bruised relationships", you might want to explain what you mean by that as I have heard nothing about it. As it stands Nvidia has more partners than ATI.

[RamonGTP]

Must be an nVidia fan to take the time to register simply to respond to this post.

If it's a rumor than it's a rumor, but they must not be doing to good if the rumor started in the first place

I've heard conflicting reports about the X58, weather it's native or requires the NF200 chip is a moot point really since I highly doubt nVidia is giving it's SLI licence away for free, so either way you look at it, there IS an additional cost. Be it in terms of hardware, or licencing or both.

As to bruised relationships, well I've read articles stating that many motherboard manufacturers had problems with nVidia based chipsets and that nVidia was less than helpful in getting those issues resolved. If I can find those articles I'll be sure and link them so you can read it for yourself.

[Niforean]

Nvidia fan? I have two 4850's. before this i had a radeon 9800. Never used Nvidia. I got to this thread by researching crossfire stuff, even though I already have it.
If you actually did some research, you would read that the x58 chip itself incorporates the SLI support. Its not a rumor. Intel wouldnt up the price of their new chip just because of Nvidia. After all, its Intel making the chip, not Nvidia.

Clearly its because no one wants to buy an SLI motherboard so they can have SLI when the boards themselves are buggy as hell and more expensive.

And yes, Nvidia chipsets are dodgy as hell. Hence why they made the deal with intel, but people still buy them. If you can find a decent article about it then yes, please link me.

Registration takes ur name and email address. That takes so long dude...

[zulquar]

hd 4870 FTW ...... i just got it and im loving it ....... runs alot faster than my freinds xfx gtx 260 xxx ince mine is ocd to 850 core and 1100 mem .... giving me a mem bandwidth of 140 gbps :O but the fanspeed needs to be at atleast 70 % to remain stable ..... and at 100% the fan spins about @ 4800 rpm which is hell noisy ... but when the air conditioner is on .... which is most of the time running in my room the noise isnt that much of an issue and if u think the radeon has heat issue is because the bios of the 4870 makes the fans run @ 10 - 15 % @ 900 +- RPM ....... MAKE IT 30 % via rivatuner and it will idle at aroud 55 and load @ 70 +- ...... and yes i live in a hot and humid country and those temps are without the air conditioner on with it the temps are even lower ...... so which concludes it not the cooler or the chip .... its the bios for both the 4800 series ..... and if u set the hd 4850 fan speed @ 70 % which is quite unlike hd 4870 ..... it will also run very cool .... i dont know why even after making such a perfect card amd still messed up the bios ..... and yes @ load hd 4870 consumes less energy than a gtx 260 core 216 and a gtx 280 but at idle the gtx 's are very EE if used with an 790 i baord

[RamonGTP]

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Originally Posted by Niforean

Nvidia fan? I have two 4850's. before this i had a radeon 9800. Never used Nvidia. I got to this thread by researching crossfire stuff, even though I already have it.
If you actually did some research, you would read that the x58 chip itself incorporates the SLI support. Its not a rumor. Intel wouldnt up the price of their new chip just because of Nvidia. After all, its Intel making the chip, not Nvidia.

Clearly its because no one wants to buy an SLI motherboard so they can have SLI when the boards themselves are buggy as hell and more expensive.

And yes, Nvidia chipsets are dodgy as hell. Hence why they made the deal with intel, but people still buy them. If you can find a decent article about it then yes, please link me.

Registration takes ur name and email address. That takes so long dude...

Like I said, nvidia isn't going to give it's licence away for free. If you think nVidia isn't making any money off x58 you're just being nieve. I have done my research, and that's why I heard mixed reviews. But like I said,, weather it's native or not makes little difference in this context becuase there is added cost. From a technical perspective it's great becuase you don't have to deal with any dodgy nvidia chips on your intel mobo.

[Niforean]

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Originally Posted by RamonGTP

Like I said, nvidia isn't going to give it's licence away for free. If you think nVidia isn't making any money off x58 you're just being nieve. I have done my research, and that's why I heard mixed reviews. But like I said,, weather it's native or not makes little difference in this context becuase there is added cost. From a technical perspective it's great becuase you don't have to deal with any dodgy nvidia chips on your intel mobo.

Think about it this way. Crossfire is free. SLI is not (atm). My inexperienced relative goes out to buy a brand new computer and heard that two graphics cards are good. They hear about SLI and CF. Which one are they going to choose?

My point before was that Nvidia are not "licensing" but "distributing" SLI on X58 chipsets. They're doing this to cover a wider range of buyers with SLI.

Also, do you think Intel would raise the price on a chipset because Nvidia want in too? How many people who buy X58 are actually going to use SLI? probably about 15%. Not worth raising the price from Intel's perspective, especially when there is no extra cost. Including SLI is basically entering a hex number into the bios and about 500 bytes of info.

Dont take my word for it, im not making this shit up.

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"Up until this announcement, NVIDIA had only planned to support SLI on the X58 with motherboards that also featured their NF200 chip, much as they did with Skulltrail, as NVIDIA had no plans to produce chipsets for Intel's QuickPath Interconnect (QPI). But as of now, NVIDIA will be supporting SLI natively on the X58 chipset as well, provided the motherboard goes through an NVIDIA certification process."

[RamonGTP]

I think you're missing my point... Fine, lets say it's native supported, it still going to cost more. Do I think Intel will raise prices because of nVidia, of corues they will, it's called a partnership where both companies benefit. Rest assured that a board that can do SLI will cost more than one which cannot. The increased profit from those increased prices go to both Intel and nVidia. Intel certainly isn't going to let consumers have it for free and sell an SLI capable chipset for the same price as one that doesn't, and nVidia certainly won't allow intel to make a profit from something they are "distributing" freely either.

You can call it distributing or licencing, which ever floats your boat is fine with me, there IS a cost involved, weather or not you want to believe it. I can guarantee you that X58 will not be the only chipset for i7 platforms, it's simply the high end chipset which is designed to cater to both SLI and CF configurations. I don't know where you're getting your 15% figure from or if you're just pulling it out of thin air, but chances are, those who don't plan on going with dual graphics cards won't opt for an x58 chipset at all.

There is nothing in that quote that says nVidia is giving away it's rights for free. I've read that quote before, infact, that was the very first thing I read about the X58, but again, at the risk of repeating myself, that has nothing to do with additional cost, or lack thereof as seems to be your perspective.

[RamonGTP]

Sorry to bring this thread back to life, but just wanted to post some relevant info that I just read over at anandtech regarding nVidia's licensing SLI technology. Niforean, if you're still reading these forums, you should find this of interest.

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The biggest feature of X58 is that with proper "certification" by NVIDIA, motherboard makers can include support for the right BIOS flags to allow NVIDIA's drivers to enable SLI on the platform. Meaning the X58 will be the first Intel chipset to support both CrossFire and SLI multi-GPU solutions without the use of any NVIDIA silicon. There's a per-motherboard fee from NVIDIA for each certified X58 board sold and thus not all boards will be certified, the most prominent of which is Intel's own X58 board. Luckily we also had access to ASUS' P6T Deluxe which is certified, giving us the ability to look at CrossFire and SLI scaling on X58 vs. other platforms.

[zulquar]

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Originally Posted by RamonGTP

Sorry to bring this thread back to life, but just wanted to post some relevant info that I just read over at anandtech regarding nVidia's licensing SLI technology. Niforean, if you're still reading these forums, you should find this of interest.

lol ramon this thread was about crossfiring HD 4850+ HD 4870
not about nVidia giving away there sli license to Intel (sheesh finnaly we wont have to use those crummy nV chipsets for sli ) ... lol does this mena ur an nV boy :P lol just kidding ... Im an NvATi boy :.......
oh srry didnt read the previous post how lol of me