What type of ATI should i buy?-HELP-

[GOLDENGPU]

I'm planning to by a new graphics card because my old one (9800GT 512mb, 256bit) died today !
I am planning to get the 6570 from ATI Radeon but i saw a lot of game plays on yt and they are very slow...but than i saw something on ATI site , the 6570 has a v like: 512mb and GDDR5 witch makes it more faster than the DDR3 version!In my country is <100$ <3 and for 60W graphics card is so great!!!! Im in love with that card !!!! So if you know any card ( nvidia-ATI) that performs like a 9800GT will be soo great !!!

-Thx for reading this post , and if you want you can check me out on yt : /Adapter45

[ShyguyXPC]

What Brand and Model of PSU do you have? Whats the Wattage rating and the +12V Amp Rating?

whats the rest of your system Specs?

CPU, Motherboard?

[GOLDENGPU]

Is a 500w psu with 6pins.

[ShyguyXPC]

What Brand and Model of PSU do you have? Whats the Wattage rating and the +12V Amp Rating?

whats the rest of your system Specs?

CPU, Motherboard?

500W does tell anything other than its supposed max output rating.

Tells nothing of the Quality of the PSU (reason need the brand name), doesn't state anything in regards to the +12V Rail Amp Rating, or any other info that may be obtained from looking it up.

You need to look at the label on the PSU to get that info.


Also what is your budget for spending on the card?

[stroyal]

There can be a night and day difference, between 2-500watt power supplies.
That's why we need the brand, at least, and to save us work, the 12volt rail/s amps as well as the 12volt combined watts, if more than 1 12volt rail.

We also DO need your motherboard name and model, as well as case size, or we are waisting time.

[ShyguyXPC]

I left out the case size inquiry, since a 9800GT isn't that small, most were single slot cards, though some were dual slot, but most unless it was one of the later revised reduced spec models were average length around 8 inches or so.

most $60-100 range cards now days are at least as good if not better than the 9800GT. and use much less power.

but knowing what the CPU you have is, just in case it may be too slow for a recommendation for a better card (if the CPU is too slow it can choke a newer video card preventing you from obtaining optimum performance)

[stroyal]

We are on the same wave length, I actually went back to see if I missed something, when you didn't ask about the case.
I guessed, it might be card size.

[GOLDENGPU]

Sorry for the late reply guys... Here they are:
Motherbuard: is a gigabyte SL2 with 3100gma and 775 stocket.
PSU: GALAXY 500W - 12v - 18A, 5V-28A, -12V-0.3A, 3.3V-27A, 5Vsb-2A.

[ShyguyXPC]

so the +12V Rail only has 18A? is there only one +12V or is there something like +12V1 & +12V2?

if there is only a single +12V and putting out only 18A, you'll want an upgraded PSU as well.

18A is only 216W, and on a 500W PSU thats pathetically low.

all Video cards use the +12V rail on a PSU, most current PC's as well for the last half decade also mainly use the +12V (motherboards, which then divert power to the CPU, RAM, HDD, etc) and only tap into the 3.3 and 5V Rails as needed.

but since the Video card uses the 12V rail, it mainly sucks most of the power the system has to use.

Many PSU's can not use the maximum values for 3.3, 5 & 12V all at once, as most have a combined maximum output to their rated value.

I just added up the totals too, the 3.3, 5 & 12V values listed above don't even max out at 500W, your looking at 445W or so max.

Galaxy makes some decent Video cards, but I'm unsure of their PSU's and quality.

If it were me I'd consider replacing the PSU as well, surprised the 9800GT ran in that system as long as it did.

since it draws 105W of power: nVidia GeForce 9800 GT Video Card - Reviews, Specifications, and Pictures - GPUReview.com

Your missing a lot of other info asked for. The motherboard model isn't a gigabyte (Your missing a lot of the model numbers info between Gigabyte and SL2, you got the Brand name, and the last part of the Models designation but nothing else) SL2

and Socket 775 doesn't tell us anything about the CPU, only the socket design that the CPU fits in.


Download and run Speccy: Speccy - System Information - Free Download

Let it analyze your system, and then highlight all the info on the main window, copy and paste it into your reply.

For example my system info:


Operating System
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i7 920 @ 2.67GHz 35 °C
Bloomfield 45nm Technology
RAM
6.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 534MHz (8-8-8-19)
Motherboard
MSI MSI X58 PLATINUM(MS-7522) (CPU 1)
Graphics
P244W (1920x1080@60Hz)
1024MB GeForce GTX 285 (nVidia) 45 °C
Hard Drives
244GB Seagate ST3250310NS (RAID) 28 °C
488GB Western Digital WD SATA 500GB (RAID)
488GB Seagate ST3500418AS (RAID) 26 °C
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAKS-00YGA0 (RAID) 35 °C
Optical Drives
HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH22NP20 ATA Device
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-216D
Audio
HTO STRIKER 7.1


Gives us an easier better way to see what your system specs are.

[GOLDENGPU]

So the death of my 9800GT was abou the psu? I don't think so! Is because the video card quality! If 9800GT was played the batt 3 game at high sett and it worked fine ...than 6570 GDDRS will work pretty fine , cuz it use only 60W and give some good fps on battlefield 3!so for that card do I really need to buy a better psu? If the 9800GT was working on this psu ... The 6570 will work fine too?and ill make the test thing and ill post it soon as possible I can cuz right now I'm at school.

[ShyguyXPC]

[sigh]


THE POWER SUPPLY YOU HAVE NOW IS A LOW END LOW QUALITY LOW POWER LOW OUTPUT POWER SUPPLY!!!

Based on the info you gave us.

18 AMPS on the +12V Rail is WAY low for what it should have for a GOOD 500W PSU.

You Should have at leas 30 to 40 Amps on the +12V from a Good 500W and you don't.

I'm not saying the PSU killed your 9800GT.

BUT with out knowing what the rest of your system specs are, for all I know you could be running a high powered Dual or Quad core CPU drawing over 100W of power from that.

Add in the Video cards power draw and you could of easily been taxing your PSU.

It could of killed the video card, the PSU could be faulty right now.

Or the Video card just died of overheating, old age or some other reason.

If you want to buy a new video card, and take the chance of the current Power supply being over taxed, over loaded, and potentially frying ALL the hardware in your system, then be my guest.


as to the 6570 using only 60W, yes, I know that, but just because it only uses 60W, this is why your looking at getting it?

It may have similar if not slightly better performance than the 9800GT, but usually when someone upgrades a GPU, they upgrade to something better performing, otherwise, just try and source out a replacement 9800GT and problem resolved.

If you were running a 100+W GPU before, why not a new better performing 100+W GPU?

Radeon 6770, Geforce GTS 450, GTX 550 Ti, all of these are around the same power output, generally run cooler, and are nearly double what the 9800GT was in performance.

Radeon 6770, 108W: AMD Radeon HD 6770 Video Card - Reviews, Specifications, and Pictures - GPUReview.com

Geforce GTS 450, 106W: nVidia GeForce GTS 450 Video Card - Reviews, Specifications, and Pictures - GPUReview.com

Geforce GTX 550 Ti, 115W: nVidia GeForce GTX 550 Ti Video Card - Reviews, Specifications, and Pictures - GPUReview.com




Or even the Radeon 6670 (the 6570 is a reduced spec of this version), 66W: AMD Radeon HD 6670 GDDR5 Video Card - Reviews, Specifications, and Pictures - GPUReview.com

If 9800GT was played the batt 3 game at high sett and it worked fine ...than 6570 GDDRS will work pretty fine , cuz it use only 60W and give some good fps on battlefield 3!

Also with that statement, that doesn't necessarily hold true, since they are 2 different GPU's, using different Driver Software.

You may get better, or you may get slightly less Frame rate with the 6570.

If it was Nvidia vs Nvidia, it might be easier to compare.

[GOLDENGPU]

I saw a few batt 3 gameplays with hd 6570 and works the same as the 9800GT! oh and I have 3gb of ram and dual core E5200 also was OC to 3.2Ghz and worked fine too!
What about that?

[ShyguyXPC]

Ugh...

low end PSU, with a 105W video card, OC'd CPU (3.2Ghz OC from 2.5GHz Stock)...

you really should get the PSU replaced with something more capable.