Help Please!!

**fancy02** · July 2nd, 2012, 07:59 AM

I built my pc a long long time ago...lol Im looking to upgrade my graphics card but really don't know much about them anymore. For the most part the only thing I use it for is Facebook and the games on there Farmville, Bingo Blitz...ect I have been looking at Newegg.com - HIS H435F512HA Radeon HD 4350 512MB 64-bit DDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card
HIS H435F512HA Radeon HD 4350 512MB 64-bit DDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card
my system
Mb-Intel® Desktop Board
D875PBZ
Cpu-Intel P4 CPU 2.80Ghz 2.79 Ghz
1Gb ram
1000w power supply
running windows 7 ultimate
current video card Sapphire Radeon 9200 Atlantis

any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks Fancy02

**stroyal** · July 2nd, 2012, 09:42 AM

Welcome to TechIMO!

1000watt power supply, with that unit ?????? strange. 300watt would be more than enough.

I can't imagine why you would waste any money on a system that old.
For what you said you do, the worst on-board is good enough, why do you feel you need to upgrade.

The HD4350 scores 248 on passmark, and I'm not exactly sure which 9200 you have compared to the chart.
At best the 4350 is twice as good, BUT they are both SO low, 2 X 0 = 0.

Gaming cards for real games score from 1500 to 4000 passmark, and start at $60 to$70, and are going to be PCI-e.

AGP is almost not available anymore.
I upgrade to the bitter end, and I haven't upgraded an AGP in almost 2 years.

Todays onboard would even kill both those cards.

I have an HD 3850 one of the top AGP cards ever made, and it only scores about 700 passmark

PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmark Charts

Again, if all you do is Internet games, and Facebook, you don't need a better video card.

**fancy02** · July 2nd, 2012, 11:14 AM

well Im on disability (limited income) and this is all I am able to do in life..so the reason I was looking to upgrade is when I play my FB games it shuts down. sometimes I get a blue screen and sometimes its black. and i get bleed through from the desktop every so often I thought it it was a conflict with the graphics card because I cant find any drivers for win7 for the card I do have and on the win index test I get the lowest score 1.0 and I thought it was to old for the adobe flash which is what seems to create all the problems. I could be completely off track .its been along time since i read up on all the new stuff out there.. The big power supply is due to had a 400. and it went bad. do I got a 550and its burned with in a week so I got a 750 about a year later I was putting a usb hub in got it all hooked turned it back on and the power supply went again so i got the 1000w and have had no problems.

**stroyal** · July 2nd, 2012, 11:34 AM

What brand are all the power supplies?
Not all power supplies are the same.
If the first replacement was a quality brand name, I would assume that it would have been the only one you would have had to replace, saving money, by buying a more expensive one, in the first place.

You have too many variables, to say for sure what is going on, but slowdowns, are probably the Internet.

As for win7 drivers, that is why win 7 isn't for machines that old, you should have stuck with XP.
You don't even have enough RAM, for Win 7.
Even XP really needs 2GiG, to perform at it's best.

That is the best card New Egg has, but unless graphic card driver are the exact problem, it won't make a difference.

I know what a fixed income is, I'm retired, and wasting money is a concern also.

Where did you find a win7 chip set driver for that board.
I bet you didn't, and that could also be part of the problem, and no way will you ever find one.

There is spending money wisely, and there is tripping over dollar bills, to pick up a penny.

Is this a full version of 7, so you can reuse it?
Is it 64 or 32bit win7?
What is the brand of the 1000w power supply?

Wait for other opinions, but that's mine.

**stroyal** · July 2nd, 2012, 11:40 AM

You can try Vista drivers, for that card and chip set, if they even exist.
They are closer than XP drivers.

**ShyguyXPC** · July 2nd, 2012, 06:10 PM

agreed, RAM is seriously lacking on that PC, for Windows 7. You need a good 2GB for Win 7 to run decently. The GPU is rather old as well, though should run fine under Win7, and fine for your needs.

The Radeon 4350 should easily be twice as fast, maybe even 3 or 4 times faster than the 9200. After all the 9200 was bottom of the barrel for the Radeon 9000 series, between the 9000 series and HD 4000 series there was X300, X600, X1300, HD 2400, HD 3200, before reaching the 4350, so its at least 6 generations ahead of the 9200 as well.

Also don't understand what the deal is with the 1KW Power supply, unless it was something someone sold you cheap or offloaded on to you, as was said your system will barely use 300W, let alone 1000W.

You were probably using crappy brand PSU's, especially if you were buying them new at dirt cheap prices. a Good $40-50 400W range PSU is all you'd need. Though on an older system like yours, the newer PSU's out these days might not fair so well, needing a stronger 3.3 and 5V Rail than 12V Rails, its hard to say, but buying a quality brand Power Supply is what a person needs to do, not just the cheapest priced one off the shelf.

**fancy02** · August 27th, 2012, 02:59 PM

ok now I have 2gig mem... and a new video card but iI think something is wrong...lol I know imagine that.The new video card is ATI Radeon HD3650 512MB S/TV/OUT DUAL AGP VIDEO CARD. problem is i went into my bios setup and video only goes up to 256...does that mean it is not compatible with this MB? Intel D875PBZ

**ShyguyXPC** · August 27th, 2012, 03:05 PM

are you dinking around with the AGP Aperature size in the Bios settings?

Normally you don't need to mess with that, just set it for its max, if its 256MB then leave it at that, but it should be capable of going to 512MB however it may just be the motherboards limitations as well.

only thing you need to do is, well, actually NOTHING, since your old card was 512MB as well, just pop the card in plug it in to power if needed, and reinstall your video drivers on windows (uninstall the old, and reinstall to the latest versions).

**fancy02** · August 27th, 2012, 03:14 PM

i did that but it wont even recognize the new card . I looked in hardware and it just shows the basic config which is im guessing the onboard graphics...Now im at a total loss. Thank you for all your help.

**fancy02** · August 27th, 2012, 03:15 PM

sorry ...the old card is 256mb

**ShyguyXPC** · August 27th, 2012, 03:44 PM

sorry, looked at the 4350 you listed in first post, yeah your old card was 256MB.

in any case, make sure the card is plugged in for power from the Power supply, the AGP variants of the 3650 required a power supply connector to the card, since the AGP slot doesn't provide enough juice to the card like PCI Express versions do.

Also make sure your monitor is plugged into the video card and not the onboard video if your motherboard has any.

Also, make sure that what your seeing in windows as the "basic config" is not the card running on Windows basic VGA Drivers, you may still have to install the AMD Catalyst Control Panel and Drivers to get the card to show up and work right, make sure you download the right versions for your OS.

32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7: AMD Catalystâ„¢ 12.6 Driver Download for AMD Radeonâ„¢ AGP Graphics Products: AMD Radeon HD 4xxx, AMD Radeon HD 3xxx and AMD Radeon HD 2xxx series of products

Links for each are on that page.

**fancy02** · September 9th, 2012, 01:59 PM

Sorry I took so long....sent the card back got a new one....after 3 days of reading 100's of forums and installing and uninstalling I finally got win to recognize my card...my question is ...it installed as a vision tek radeon hd 2600 XT AGP..not ATI readon 3650 hd... does that mean its not running to the specs of my card? Should I install the latest hot fix or leave it alone?
Thanks

**ShyguyXPC** · September 9th, 2012, 06:09 PM

Uninstall all AMD display drivers, use a driver sweeper program, piriform.com has a decent one so does phyxion.net

Remove all AMD display drivers.

Reboot the pc.

Should have the latest AMD catalyst display drivers for your os version.as well as make sure its for the agp version of the card.

Saved to desktop before doing any of this.

After reboot let windows install its default VGA drivers, then if a reboot is required by windows, then do so. If not, then install the new AMD drivers, reboot again after install and it should recognize card properly.