.... and now its the girl scouts...

[j-mac/820]

Look I am just trying to make the case that Planned Parenthood had no business being involved with a christan girls group which towts itself as pro life in the first place.

And BTW -Z- I do not call your post stupid because you have the right to you opinion just as I have the right to mine, neither are stupid.

j-mac

[originel]

ook I am just trying to make the case that Planned Parenthood had no business being involved with a christan girls group which towts itself as pro life in the first place.

Whether or not the two companies should be working together is a matter of personal opinion. but it's not like PP is forcing themselves on GSA. GSA has the choice of being sponsored by whoever they want and if some people have a problem with it, oh well. they are a private organization and have the right to hold whatever values they want. Besides...PP isn't just an abortion clinic, their main goal is to spread sexual awareness so that people are informed about sex and can then make an educated decision about it, instead of trying to figure it out on their own. They may not necessarily go about it the right way (from what i've heard that seminar went a little overboard), but their intention is good and at least they are trying to do something about the large amounts of teens having sex! no one else seems to care!

[j-mac/820]

PP is and always has been just as radical as the nuts on the other side that kill docs. As for the GSA being able to get into bed with anyone they want figuritively speaking then their values have certinally dropped since I was involved with the scouts. And I would also now have to think twice before getting my daughter involved.

As a parent I do care and will take those steps to educate my children myself thank you. I do not need a left wing radical group telling my kids that they will have sex anyway so not if but when they do how to and to abort it after the mistake is made.

When you have kids -O- I'll bet that your attitudes will change.

j-mac

[originel]

When you have kids -O- I'll bet that your attitudes will change.

i'm not saying that the current setup is ideal...far from it. in fact i can say when i do have kids i will MOST DEFINITELY be teaching them about sex myself because i certainly don't want them learning from PP as i don't agree with a lot of their ideals. going back, my first quote said that parents SHOULD be the ones teaching their kids about sex and later i posted that i felt PP goes to far sometimes. I don't think that they are a radical group though, just a left-leaning group (this is not to say there aren't radical members within the group of course).

my main point is that there is no one else teaching kids about sex. i guess i haven't emphasized this enough but i blame the PARENTS for this entire mess. it's because of parents laziness or simply not caring which causes kids not to being educated about sex, which is why organizations like these are trying to step in. In an ideal world you are absolutely right j-mac. unfortunately this world is far from ideal.

i'm very glad to hear that you are going to educate your kids yourself about sex...you've joined the very small minority of parents that do. Most parents just leave their kids to figure it out on their own.

[j-mac/820]

Thanks, Now if I could just get you to transfer to Notre Dame...ha ha ha!

j-mac

[Blazer06]

Originally posted by j-mac/820
[BAs a parent I do care and will take those steps to educate my children myself thank you. I do not need a left wing radical group telling my kids that they will have sex anyway so not if but when they do how to and to abort it after the mistake is made.

j-mac [/B]

Unforuntanalty many parents dont want, or wont or dont care to talk to their kids about sex, neither does the kids want to talk to their parents. beng in high-school, let me tell you THE KIDS ARE GOING TO HAVE SEX ANYWAYS. weather they have been proven that they should use condoms or not is debatable. Schools need to take this role over, as many other parenting roles, because alot of parents in america wont/cant/dont care/are to emabrassed to take on those roles. and, learning about sex from a teacher and joking with peers, does arouse the knowledge. i had a friend, and the reason she used condoms is cause we joked about std's so much last year. what im saying, is most parents arnt stepping up to the plate, and im happy that someone is at least TRYING to. you can sit here and go "well i would and they would" but one person doesnt teacher millions of kids. and they arnt.


Blaze

[Mike]

Well, I bought some girl scout cookies yesterday. Silly California girl scouts, paid like $4.00!

[j-mac/820]

$4.00!!!!!!!!!!WHOAH. anyway Blaze I think you have it backwards the school systems already have too much ability to step in and parent my children. Lord knows they think that they can do a better job. But the fact remains that I am the parent not them, they work for me. get it? So when I see that something is over the edge or not the message I want believe me I'll step in.

I can't speak for other parents out there and some situations are sad the way they don't care. But there is no licence to be a parent there should be.
and PP needs to stay out of GSA.

j-mac

[originel]

Lord knows they think that they can do a better job.

the sad thing is that 9 times out of 10 they can...and that really isn't saying much for those parents.

But the fact remains that I am the parent not them, they work for me. get it?

we get you just fine! stop harping on it! We are not talking about you as a parent because you are actually a good parent. We are talking about the average parent which is FAR from good.

look at it like this, i see them like the police. If everyone is good then they are never needed (in this case you would be the law-abiding citizen), but unfortunately without police crime would run rampant because people are just that bad! same thing with parents.

This is reality here, if the schools and other organizations don't teach children about sex then the majority of them won't learn about it at all except from their peers. period! take it or leave it.

[whitebeard21]

Do you think any of the single mothers, some with as many as three children that are in their senior year in high school could benefit from a little planned parrenthood?

Every time I go to the social security office I see teenage mothers applying for ss cards for their babies so they can collect welfare for them.

It makes more sense to educate them than to have to support them and continue a cycle of dependance on a welfare state.

If you are going to prohibit sex ed for religious reasons then let the church support the children instead of the taxpayer. Let them sign up at the church for their monthly check for the next 24 years.

[Knothead]

Originally posted by whitebeard21
If you are going to prohibit sex ed for religious reasons then let the church support the children instead of the taxpayer. Let them sign up at the church for their monthly check for the next 24 years.

HEH!

[muno]

Actually the teachers work for your CHILD, not you.
I can imagine seeing someone besides a football court yelling naughty stuff to a referee when the child is playing...

How about the radical right-wingists (meaning those who really can't think for themselves, but need someone to tell them what's right and what's wrong) put up your own country where you can educate child about sex when he's/she's 18 (and has probably lost her/his virginity about 25 times already).

Just because you can be brainwashed, doesn't mean your child will, too. Just because you can't think for yourself, and take imposed opinions, doesn't mean your child will.

[surreal]

Some say it should be up to the parents, others say the parents don't care someone else has to do it.
Then there is the regardless of the parents' opinion point of view.

I can't see how one can make the jump from not wanting Planned Parenthood involved with their child's sexual education to a child not getting any reliable information about her own body do that insinuate a parent is incompetent to educate their child?

If the parents didn't care enough to teach their kids their values they wouldn't be complaining.
The ones complaining are complaining because they didn't know anything about this kind of class at the camp.
They have worked hard to raise their children and created family values for them to learn.
They would not have chosen to send their daughters to a camp they paid for if they would have know the full curricular.
Did that register? The parents pay for the camp.

What's happened here is that the GSA has Planned Parenthood among their supporters, and these 'parents', disagreeing with this one PARTICULAR supporter, have sent these kids home for the summer.
Guilt by association.
No camp-outs, no meetings, BLEH!

Don't parents have any rights anymore?
Don't they have the right to monitor their child's influences?

They do still have rights in spite of some groups claiming they don't.

Well too bad no camp outs. Whoop de doo.
Nothing wrong with a child learning how to say no, regardless of how much fun it looks.

Oh, wait that's learning abstinence, and building character.

[surreal]

BTW, things are getting a little testy, lets stay on the issue and not make insults to other board members personally or what might be their values.
This goes to either side of the argument.

Thanks

[Knothead]

Of COURSE parents have the right to monitor their child's influences..I don't believe anyone has argued otherwise.

It wasn't even the point of the article. The article is talking about how, because of an association with the GSA (who maintain MANY associations of support) some chowderheads have decided that Girl Scouts=Planned Parenthood=abortion mills and homosexuality and heaven knows what else goes through these people's heads!

Please read critically and thoughtfully:

they were disturbed to find out that the Girl Scout organization has been giving its endorsement for years to a Planned Parenthood sex-ed program .

Giving their endorsement... doesn't say that the GSA/PP were delivering any sex-ed materials to the kids in the troop, does it? Merely endorsing PP. That's all.

The Waco-area Girl Scout organization has been putting its name and logo on brochures for the Planned Parenthood sex-education programs but said it does not contribute any money and does not send girls to attend.

Putting GSA signage on sex-ed materials. So what? Sounds to me like nobody's forcing anybody to undergo anything.

The Girl Scouts national organization, which is based in New York and has 2.9 million girl members and 986,000 adult members, takes no position on sex education or abortion and has no national relationship with Planned Parenthood, according to the Bluebonnet Council.

Again, what were those chowderheads getting so upset about?

--Nobody was forcing anything on the girls in the Scout troops. It turns out the parent's boundaries were, in fact ,being respected!

--The only thing demonstrated here was that some parents are so hysterical about Sex Ed, that all one has to do is make a tenuous connection between a great organization and the EVILS of educating kids about sex, and one can bring that organization down. Guilt by association.

[surreal]

They were talking about it on the news yesterday. And the local talk radio show.
PP was using their materials to teach a sex ed class at the Nobody's fool thing that's held every year.

The girls were given notebooks and picture books reportedly PP wasn't teaching them no so much about abortion,
but it was the other issues they were presenting.

I would not like it if without my knowledge someone is teaching my 11 year old daughter how to masturbate, and supposedly it was one of the lessons in the course.

But you see I think kids never get to be kids now. They are bombarded by way to much to soon. Loosing ones innocence (we ain't talking dat deflowerin' stuff either) is bad enough as it is.
Being a kid should be the best part of your life. Why can't we try to preserve it for them as long as possible, instead of forcing our reality on them and taking their childhood away?

Think about your daughters when they were 10 and 12. Picture their sweet little faces remember how young that really is...
They come home from a girlscout meeting you sent them to, and you find out a stranger has been deciding how much to tell them and when without your even knowing about it?

I don't think you would have been too happy about some one making that decision in your stead would you?

Giving their endorsement... doesn't say that the GSA/PP were delivering any sex-ed materials to the kids in the troop, does it? Merely endorsing PP. That's all.

Oh good grief Knotty,............How can you ignore the brand name recognition?? And actually YES that's part of the whole uproar as I understand.

Oh well, I'm off to work on my sewing machine again.

[j-mac/820]

HEAR, HEAR! Surreal.

The appearence of Impropriety.


j-mac