Will the REAL Commander-in-Chief please stand up !!

**pickel** · March 29th, 2004, 11:45 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/29/ira...ire/index.html

We now have another scape goat in the search for the WMD. You're out there, getting bombed and run over by an enemy you don't know, you see your friends falling by the way side, bullets buzzing by @ 2000 fps and you have to make a decision in a split second. Let's put the blame where it belongs, all the way at the top, the instigator of the biggest mess since Viet Nam. Thanks, George for a wonderful war. Oh, I forgot, the war is, was, will be over ?????????

Semper Fi, God rest thier souls.

**Gomer** · March 29th, 2004, 11:49 PM

Hey bud... Mission Accomplished already!

**RADAR1797** · March 29th, 2004, 11:51 PM

Pickel,

What the Hell does that have to do with the President? It was a DoD investigation to find out what went wrong. Maybe you forget we live in a society that values life and want to fix our mistakes? It would not matter who was CINC, the DoD would have investigated a friendly fire incident. Bringing politics into it does nothing but show how intolerable you are. BTW, your "support" of the military is not what we want.

-RADAR

**Fingers** · March 30th, 2004, 12:06 AM

I've got to agree with RADAR, I'm pretty much repulsed by the sensationalizing/politicizing the casualities.

**pickel** · March 30th, 2004, 12:23 AM

Radar..How many more have to die and be dismembered for a bad political decision??? We're stuck over there, at least for ten years or more, but it's not like Germany or Japan , or S. Korea.

What the Hell does that have to do with the President??

Who, in the hell, gots us over there???? WE were supposed to be in Afgasnistan routing out Bin Laden and his boys. But from the first , George was all for Iraq, regardless of the consequences.
Consequences he had no plan for except to grandstand on an aircraft carrier declaring the war was over when it had hardley begun.

BTW, your "support" of the military is not what we want

What do you want??? Just go blindly along with the program, right or wrong ?? Forward Ho, follow me and not have the decrestion to look at the reality in front of you and make some rational decesion on the facts that are persented. IMO, Bush is no better then Custer at the Little Big Horn with the excetion of the numbers dead and those who will die for Political reasons.

Oh, BTW, the WMD were found..In Bush's pocket...his pen that signs executive orders.

**RADAR1797** · March 30th, 2004, 12:31 AM

Actually Pickel, what I want is for you tod o is think for a bit what your protests means to the troops in the field. Surprisingly, most of us military types actually believe in what we are doing in Iraq and Afghainstan. Your fatalistic opinion does nothing but dishearten our troops. I am personally angered by your comments. So how about SU and let us take care of things while you mindlessly worry about our welfare, while we deal with the realities.

-RADAR

**Gomer** · March 30th, 2004, 12:39 AM

Surprisingly, most of us military types actually believe in what we are doing in Iraq and Afghainstan.

That is what you have been taught to do. One of the things they build into you after they tear you down.

Is it your view RADAR that we should just sit back and blindly support any military action the gov throws them into just for the sake of the troops?

**RADAR1797** · March 30th, 2004, 12:45 AM

No, it is my opnion that we have a job to do and that mission is just. My opinion is that if the people think the mission is unjust, keep that opinion quiet until Nov 2, 2004, then you can vote out the President. Until then, we are a nation applying force, and the opposition only feeds the enemy. Basically, you have your say in November, until then, suck it up.

-RADAR

**Gomer** · March 30th, 2004, 12:48 AM

No, it is my opnion that we have a job to do and that mission is just. My opinion is that if the people think the mission is unjust, keep that opinion quiet until Nov 2, 2004, then you can vote out the President. Until then, we are a nation applying force, and the opposition only feeds the enemy. Basically, you have your say in November, until then, suck it up.

Following that logic, if he had started the war in Iraq 3 years ago we would have to be quiet for 4 years... makes no sense.

**RADAR1797** · March 30th, 2004, 12:53 AM

Exactly, I don't want forceful opposition to my job while I am doing it. If there is a significant problem there are impeachment procedings for that. Otherwise, cast your vote and let that be said.

-RADAR

**Fingers** · March 30th, 2004, 12:57 AM

Perhaps the idealogy of "military types" is inherently different than "non-military types"... which seems to play out when analyzing the political affiliation of the enlisted. Here's a thought, if the men and women that are away serving were back home to be part of the "polls", I wonder how many percentage points Bush would pick up.

I don't think those being most affected by the war (the soldiers) really apprieciate the people back home sensationalizing their deaths as a reason to invalidate their efforts and sacrifices

**Gomer** · March 30th, 2004, 01:04 AM

Perhaps the idealogy of "military types" is inherently different than "non-military types"... which seems to play out when analyzing the political affiliation of the enlisted.

As I mentioned, it is not inherent... It is by design, part of being made a soldier right? I might add they did a fine job with RADAR. Kudos to him and the rest of the armed forces for their diligence and service.

**Fingers** · March 30th, 2004, 01:10 AM

So you think that soldiers "become" more supportive of the military after training? I'd suggest that these men and women have those tendancies to begin with, and that's what compells them to offer their service to their country. I don't think they'd really appreciate implications that they are being "made" that way.

TC · March 30th, 2004, 01:30 AM

I think I'll believe RADAR's train of thought since, being in the military, he probably has a firmer grasp on the realities of the Iraq war than most other Americans who are fed their knowledge via local/national news agencies.

Not sure if you've been to the desert Radar, but either way I'm sure you know more about what's "going on" than the average Joe.

Thank you for your commitment and hard work!

TC

TC · March 30th, 2004, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Gomer

As I mentioned, it is not inherent... It is by design, part of being made a soldier right? I might add they did a fine job with RADAR. Kudos to him and the rest of the armed forces for their diligence and service.

I think you watch too many war movies....

**Fingers** · March 30th, 2004, 01:38 AM

That's a good point, TC. We've heard from several members that have been to the desert and back, and I don't recall any of them being critical of the war, despite the onslaught of anti-war propaganda.

**Mike** · March 30th, 2004, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Fingers
That's a good point, TC. We've heard from several members that have been to the desert and back, and I don't recall any of them being critical of the war, despite the onslaught of anti-war propaganda.

Well, if a left-winged member went to the desert and back, they would have hated it just as much as they did before they left.

**Epidemic** · March 30th, 2004, 03:05 AM

Mike I am not too sure about that.

Once in the desert you may see things which could change your mind. Like a people who have been tortured, oppressed and other such little insignificant things. Seeing how the majority of people are thankful for your assistance. That is something that the press does not show at all. All the press shows with any regularity is the body count and problems. The people who have been to the desert and back have seen both the problems and the successes. Even a liberal soldier might well come back with a positive opinion.

**Ed_S** · March 30th, 2004, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by RADAR1797
No, it is my opnion that we have a job to do and that mission is just. My opinion is that if the people think the mission is unjust, keep that opinion quiet until Nov 2, 2004, then you can vote out the President. Until then, we are a nation applying force, and the opposition only feeds the enemy. Basically, you have your say in November, until then, suck it up.

-RADAR

Radar, you're always so vehement about the mission, I'm curious what makes it so "just" (justified?)??
Are there facts we are not aware of, or what?
Please - convince us. So far I've seen nothing that makes me believe it's a worthwhile effort.

Pickel, myself, and others have consistantly said that we support the American service people, but not the man or administration which has put them in harm's way, who apparently sent them to fight & die not for America, but for another country. Don't you understand that there IS a difference, that we feel the best way to support the military is to get them the hell out of a situation they should never have been in to start with??

So enlighten us. What is involved which justifies the loss of American lives, untold billions of American tax dollars, and sacrificing the American economy?

Please leave the Iraqi people out of it, one way or the other. Just what is it that best serves the needs of the American people?