Muslim girl in Oklahoma can wear head scarf to school

[Whir]

Your concept of a "perfect American" is pretty flawed, yes.

[no1_vern]

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Personally, IMHO, she needs to conform to the standerads in place.

Are you sure?? She is PRACTICING what she has been taught to be right, honest, moral-in other words to be a good person.

The fact that those ARE the standards "in place" doesnt seem to bother you at all

[surreal]

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Originally Posted by Whir

Hey, why don't you blow it out of proportions? C'mon guys, it's not a gang thing. Draw your arguments wherever you want, but at least be logical about it.

What do you mean?

[MegalosSkylaki]

Yup, Hamtramck is a seperate city from Detroit, while in Detroit. I recall it went into Bankruptcy some decades ago about Nixon's time, as the Recession, and a small industrial base, could not support its school system or such.

Anyhows , I think this whole issue is a digresion from the problems this Nation faces --so we focus on small issues like loudspeakers -while the big issues get ignored.

The Spanish pholospher Ortega wrote a book on , "What does it mean to be a Spainard?"

Maybe sooner or later we will have to address it here.

Still you might look up some of my Threads about the Pledge of Alligance in NYC, a Painter getting arrested for painting the Flag on a School that was deliberately in violation of NY State Law by failing to display the flag, the Federal funding of artwork like "piss Christ" and you get the sense of something being lost along the way....

Why do so many kids have high-tech toys --but don't have " a Family"? Or at least a sense of it?

Why have so people allowed themselves to be browbeaten? To foresake their responsibilities --with little thought that it is their freedom that they are dropping?

"Getting and spending we lay waste our power. Little we see in Nature that is ours." --Wordsworth

[Theophylact]

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[MegalosSkylaki]

Hmmmm..good Theolyphactarianonian observation !

Good thing nobody Posted a Thread on Dr. Guillotine, and the Invention of the Guillotine !

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You started somethoing here, Theo !

[originel]

hmmm...i'm split on this issue. I'm leaning towards disagreeing with the situation, but not totally.

First JP in response to your post: i've never seen an instance when people were not allowed to pray in school. of course i live in texas though. The only thing that wasn't allowed was publicly lead prayer, i.e. the principle leading the school in prayer over the intercom or something. Which i am against simply because if we do that for christians then we have to do that for muslims and others, which i don't want to hear. Besides that i don't think i really would want to hear my old principle pray anyways ("And thank you god for this latest shipment of paper so that the copier won't jam up as much"). Most of the time i don't like publicly lead prayers because i think prayer should be between you and God which is one reason i pray silently. I just never was one for publicly lead prayer. Of course the instant that someone says i can't pray on my own then i would throw a fit! Also that link about the muslim prayer announcement thing is total BS!!!!

In my schools we were not allowed to wear any sort of headgear (hats, bandana's, etc), and every school i've ever seen had a rule like this too. I've also been in many businesses that didn't allow headware because it looks unprofessional (i happen agree). There is also the case where students will say "she can wear a bandana, so we should be able to as well." These are little kids so to them this will be perfectly reasonable and they probably won't fully understand the religeous roots. Also i tend to largely agree with blazer on that she is in america and she is going to have to make some changes to her lifestyle if she expects to get by. While we should show leniancy towards other cultures and such i think we take it too far sometimes (i.e. language).

But at the same time i can understand that she was taught to think this is moral and whatnot, and that her religion expects it. so i dunno.

[Whir]

America: Land of the Freedom to conform to our standards regardless of what your beliefs were.


No, I don't think that's how it went...

[MegalosSkylaki]

The NYC Public School System had a rule about public displays of religious symbols, so Jewish Teachers had to remove their yamulkas and replace them.

This was doipey, in my opinion.

oday we have lots of religiously-associated garments and headdresses. So what ?

The Constitution guarentees the free exercise of religion.

Unless someone can convince me that some overwhelming consideration takes precidence --as in the Military--what people wear on their heads is their business.
If anything, a religious symbol, unlike say a Yankees baseball cap, should enjoy a preferred status.

The Gov't should stay outta of it.

If anybody doesn't like what someone wears in their home, ask them to leave.
This is a Gov't --i.e. tax-supported -- school building here. The rationalization is that a "scene" would be created that would somehow"interfere" with others education. Gimme a break !

People forget the Constitution is a double-edged sword when it comes to religion, and focus on words that are NOT there ("seperation of Church and State") while ignoring the words that ARE there.

MegalosSkylaki