When is Bush going to shut down the southern border ???

[willy_ph]

What the hell is the difference between 2 people being killed by an idiot driving that fast on the road and a Mexican committing the same move? Nothing at all. People drive and die all the time on the roads. But you're not screaming to get all the young/old/crazy/<insert identifiable group of people here> people off the road and out of the country. You're merely trying to justify your discriminatory and borderline racist behaviour and attitude towards Mexicans.

Is there a difference between a Mexican and an American? Nope. Just the country they were born in and the language they speak, but apparently that point gets ignored by individuals with intolerant knee-jerk reactions and a social phobias towards the unknown.

By the way, you don't happen to have any friends involved in The Order, the World Church of the Creator, or any other similar groups, do you?

[cyphen]

definitely close down the border. Put up a wall if necessary, Maybe that will incent the mexican government to solve their own problems. I feel bad for the low standard of living they have in Mexico, but i don't think that America should suffer because of it. Not to mention the national security issues that it raises. Stay in your own country if you can't get the legal authority to come here. We will be cracking down on this - be sure of it! Just have to get the politicians to recognize the majority rather than taking us for granted! Plus, i think it's wrong to assume (and even worse if it's not an assumption and is true!) that they can get the so-called latino vote by being easy on illegal immigrants! It should piss off legal immigrants that illegals are coming here.

[Epidemic]

Three pronged assault.

Two fences, a mine field and helecopter gunship patrol with shoot to kill orders

Enforcement at businesses that employ illegals with huge fines.

Close public services to those who are not legal education, medical...

Illegal stream will dry up in 6 months.

[Chuckiechan]

Actually, it is getting slowly (and quietly) tighter. There are indications that after the election, GWB is going to start to tighten the clamp.

Some indications of this are:
Increased apprehesions and surveillance
Illegals (and legals) reluctant to "go home for Christmas" like before since they are worried about getting home.
And, prison intelligence is reporting that the Mexican crime families are experiencing more and more difficulty at the border moving people and drugs, forcing the smuggling quantities to be smaller and more frequent.
And lastly, there is a definate chill between Bush and his old butt buddy, Vicente Fox who knows steam is coming down the pipe soon.

We'll have to wait and see, but the polls show overwhelming support for a tight border with Mexico. Offshoring is bad enough, but importing "off shore" wage and benefit expectations is a bit much!

[Hungrycookpot]

Ok its official, im outraged. The racism in this thread digusts me, and i have lost ALOT of respect towards some TechIMO members here today.

You want me to believe that there is an epidemic of mexicans coming over here with the goal of getting on the road to kill some poor american?! How many drunk drivers, or elderly people or who have you, are involved in fatal accidents daily?! I would be willing to bet the number is FAAAAAR higher. Yet I dont hear you screaming for the mandatory execution of everyone who gets drunk, or everyone over 60?

You're all (and i dont mean all, just the racists) pretty superior feeling here, talking about setting up a big wall, with guns along it and gunships to slaughter anyone from mexico they see. I think id like to see the lot of you deported over there, where the standard of living is pretty well universal poverty in the extreme, where you have no chance at a good life for your children or yourself, and have all your money taken away. You'd soon learn a bit of sympathy for those who are no different than yourself, except that they weren't lucky enough to be born in a country of opportunities.

Im not saying "Hey, lets just let them all in!" either, but i think perhaps Bush could be a little less "worried" (because its not like he really is) about the liberty of people in Iraq, and focus on a problem a little closer to home?

[Chuckiechan]

How would you feel if our Northeastern ghettos were emptied into Canada?

[washe]

Instead of Bush making a huge wall on the border..

Why you dont start with the actual work sources..

How illegal alliens get work?
How they get income to cover their expenses?

What's today problem from past years (that was not considered a threat), now the children of those workers are getting the same oportunities that the actual US citizens, getting better jobs, getting better oportunities, etc, etc.

I'm not a big fan of the inmigration problem, we as a country should be able to generate enough jobs for those people (speaking of Mexico), unfortunately reality is very different.

The fact is that they generate bussines, they live there, they have to pay rent, food, transport, they have bank accounts, even they sent money country to country (the revenue is very high for this companies).

More than a Bush problem I see it as an economic problem.

[Epidemic]

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Originally Posted by Hungrycookpot

Ok its official, im outraged. The racism in this thread digusts me, and i have lost ALOT of respect towards some TechIMO members here today.

You want me to believe that there is an epidemic of mexicans coming over here with the goal of getting on the road to kill some poor american?! How many drunk drivers, or elderly people or who have you, are involved in fatal accidents daily?! I would be willing to bet the number is FAAAAAR higher. Yet I dont hear you screaming for the mandatory execution of everyone who gets drunk, or everyone over 60?

You're all (and i dont mean all, just the racists) pretty superior feeling here, talking about setting up a big wall, with guns along it and gunships to slaughter anyone from mexico they see. I think id like to see the lot of you deported over there, where the standard of living is pretty well universal poverty in the extreme, where you have no chance at a good life for your children or yourself, and have all your money taken away. You'd soon learn a bit of sympathy for those who are no different than yourself, except that they weren't lucky enough to be born in a country of opportunities.

Im not saying "Hey, lets just let them all in!" either, but i think perhaps Bush could be a little less "worried" (because its not like he really is) about the liberty of people in Iraq, and focus on a problem a little closer to home?

The helicopter gun ships are used to save lives as well as the mine fields. make it impossible to enter the country and the first 1000 killed would represent the end to people dying in the attempt to enter illegally. In 5 years there would be a net savings in lives. Simultaniously I believe that the business community would demand that legal immigration caps be lifted to ensure a workforce in keeping with demand. Now you have eliminated the dehydration deaths at the hands of people smugglers. Death of thousands would be saved with a little brutal enforcement on both the business front with fines, and border with serious control. In actuallity I would not shoot em but I would make sure that no one could make it across the border with out being nabbed. Helicopters do fly overs with infrared, and border patrol is dispatched to every inch of the border in helicopter born rapid response teams.

[washe]

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Originally Posted by Epidemic

the first 1000 killed would represent the end to people dying in the attempt to enter illegally. In 5 years there would be a net savings in lives.

More than that have died in Irak an they are still fighting......

Getting mass murdering at the border will not solve the real problem.

Do you have the right to decide the fate of someone and kill it?

are you god?

Supposedly we are human beings and the only difference between other mammals, we have the ability to think..

But we still live on a culture of shoot first ask later!

[Epidemic]

No I am quite sorry, 0 mexican nationals have died in iraq.

So speaking of mexicans crossing the rio grande.

There is another thing to think of. This would not be killing someone for nothing, It would be killing them for illegally entering land which is not theirs to be. Tresspass, for many years it was completely acceptable to shoot tresspassers.


I am also hoping that the fact that these are humans, that after the first few shots they will think twice about trying to enter through illegal means. Now the only people in the death zone will be those who plan harm to us by being in this zone.

Prior to the death zone I would definitely support telling them the date of the zone becoming a kill zone.