Thread: Your soul and the hearafter!
February 2nd, 2005, 04:56 PM #1
Your soul and the hearafter!
I have often wondered what even the religious people think of the hearafter. If a brain injury can erase all memories mom and dad and your favorite puppy, up until the point of injury. after the ultimate injury of your brain dying what do you take to heaven? Who are you in other words? Where does the essence of who you are reside? Is it electro chemical/ neuralsynaptic or ectoplasm?
Some people get to live two lives one prior to injury and then another one where you have to learn to walk talk and love again. Totally different personallity likes and dislikes. In a sense you are two different people.
What happens if you die after living a religious existance up until a brain injury and after when you become a violent athiest jerk due to frontal lobe injury. Does half your soul go to heaven and the other half go to hell?
If the soul is where you reside then you should be a good person no matter how many times you are knocked on the head.
I contend that your goodness, religiousness are all neural patterns which if damaged could be rewritten or modified to see another incorrect religion as correct. With the proper voltage and placement of a probe, scalple and some sewing thread I could probably convert the most religious of folks to being devil worshipers in a matter of hours with the proper knowledge. If that is the case by effecting tissue I could dam someone to hell.
No different then if I create them through years of abuse and dis-information.
Last edited by Epidemic; February 2nd, 2005 at 05:50 PM.
February 2nd, 2005, 05:45 PM #2
Good questions and evidence that demands a verdict there Epi.
February 2nd, 2005, 05:51 PM #3I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. --J.S. Mill
February 2nd, 2005, 05:55 PM #4
One of thousands of such examples theo.
Now in days of old they would not have attributed the change in personality to the thunk on the head but rather to demons which they would try to drill out of their skull.
February 2nd, 2005, 06:03 PM #5
Seems to have drilled the demons into his skull...I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. --J.S. Mill
February 2nd, 2005, 06:31 PM #6
Originally Posted by Epidemic
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That's a joke Theo, a joke!!
February 2nd, 2005, 06:50 PM #7
who knows? I'm just going to wait and see.
It's definitely an interesting question, but here's my take: We obviously have no idea what we're doing here on earth, so why bother trying to figure out what things will be like in the afterlife if we can't even get living here and now straight?
February 2nd, 2005, 10:00 PM #8Originally Posted by Epidemic
It's not your body but your spirit. Your mind is a tool of your spirit but you cant kill the spirit, you can damage it's interface (the body) but not the spirit. If your body is damaged your not going to be judged by it's actions.
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February 3rd, 2005, 10:09 AM #9
Ahhh so a child rapist who has received a bump on the head gets a pass. But a child rapist who simply was raped as a child himself is going to burn. Blunt force trauma damage is covered. Improper training and upbringing is your own fault.
I think I understand now???
Now if not being exposed to the word of god in a way that passes your interface (the Mind as trained by your parents). Getting whacked on the head in an accident is somehow different than the accident of birth to bad godless parents
Wait I am confused again
February 3rd, 2005, 03:29 PM #10
AWWW come on there has to be more takers than this
February 3rd, 2005, 03:57 PM #11
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February 3rd, 2005, 04:07 PM #12
Forget a moment about Heaven, whatever that might be: Epidemic, you're just getting into the question "How does the soul differ from the mind?" And, of course, you're assuming that at least one of those entities exists (an assumption by no means universally shared).
There's a huuuuge literature on the subject, much of not involving any questions of religion at all. Why assume that your opinion has any value until you've at least considered the arguments that serious thinkers have made?
I admit I'm not emotionally unbiased on this particular question. I watched my mother's mind disintegrate over a period of nearly twenty years, until what was left shortly before she died was hardly recognizable as a personality at all, much less the lively, intelligent, social person she once was. So -- what, if anything, should I want to survive her death? That pitiful final fragment?
Okay, sure, no. But then, ask yourself: what about all the experience she'd acquired through a 92-year life? Should she retain only the stuff that made her young and lively? Doesn't sad experience form part of her mind, too? Would she be happy to have the slate wiped clean, at least partly?
Suppose she could be reincarnated: exactly what would that mean, if the experiences don't carry over?
What are the souls of the unborn like, those too young to have had any experience?
There are a whole lot of questions here. Can a machine have a mind? A soul? Can it die?
I'm not proposing any answers. But these are Big Questions, and they deserve more than a cheap, jokey one.I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. --J.S. Mill
February 3rd, 2005, 04:13 PM #13
For me that is not a serious problem since I did not create the being or even their situation so if you are a child rapist I want you dead. I do not care what lead you to that point. However god created the universe and is responsible for how our mind spirit interface works and as such. God is also responsible for the penalty for said transgression. He allowed me to be raised in that crappy house with the godless parents rather than smiting them with a wave of his wand before they had me. They passed their bad habbits on to me and I am unable to receive the word of god because of the situation(bad mind soul interface) that he allowed to happen.
So the sins of the father are punished on all the generations that followed. But god allowed dear old devil worshiping dad to have children and pollute them.
In the case of the child rapist in mans world. I could not control what happened to him in his childhood. I do not have the power to whip his mind back in shape and he remains a threat however minimal for the remainder of his years. I go for the down and dirty method of gass him and he will be no more trouble.
The funny thing about god is that he is the programmer and we are the program. Do you really get angry at your code when it goes into an infinite loop or do you get mad at yourself for being foolish enough to create the loop. Personally I attempt to scrap the code or fix it. and some times I even get mad at my self. But I never get mad at the program.
February 3rd, 2005, 04:28 PM #14
Interesting thoughts on the should the (slate) mind be wiped clean. that would be even worse. Now you burn in hell and you have no idea why. You did nothing since you are a fresh harddrive but you suffer for all eternity. If your soul made it to heaven then the whole point of the 80 years or so would have meant nothing being that it never happened.
I'm not proposing any answers. But these are Big Questions, and they deserve more than a cheap, jokey one.
On the other hand why do you take the question so seriously. the answers to these questions do not change a thing. Your life will still have had the up's and downs it has had as will mine. If you want to present these questions in a comedy forum then that is fine as well.
And to take it so seriously and then not answer really is annoying.
Finally the answer to your question of is there a mind or soul. There is at least one mind and probably we all have one. Either bob (the one intelligence alone in a vast nothing) is dreaming up this stuff for me or I exist.
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