Finally a McD's lawsuit with a win-win ending.

[pphalan]

No corp. forces me to eat their food

[James T]

Originally Posted by Blazer06

That is unethical that they should have to settle a lawsuit to begin with. That is not a win win situation.

So what if they use unhealthy fats in their food? NOBODY forces you to eat there. Let them use whatever they want, there is not reason that they should be at all responsible for people that have no self control.

-Blaze

This is a pretty common excuse for not forcing companies to correct the unhealthy foods they promote and provide. It's also a crock of s***.

By the same reasoning you can say that motorcars should not have seatbelts, safe steering wheels, air bags, bumper bars, crumple zones, side impact protection etc. all because the poor dumb consumer doesn't really want to have to pay for all those extra features.

You could also argue any number of other ludicrous positions.

The fact is that in all major respects the issue with food is the same as the issue with many other safety factors. As individuals people don't want to pay for them and want the choice, but as a society the cost is so high that mandatory guidelines are necessary.

[James T]

This is not just an McD's problem. It'd be a hell of a lot easier for me to keep the weight off if I didn't need a degree in reading marketing lies every time I went to the supermarket.

[pphalan]

Originally Posted by James T

This is a pretty common excuse for not forcing companies to correct the unhealthy foods they promote and provide. It's also a crock of s***.

By the same reasoning you can say that motorcars should not have seatbelts, safe steering wheels, air bags, bumper bars, crumple zones, side impact protection etc. all because the poor dumb consumer doesn't really want to have to pay for all those extra features.

You could also argue any number of other ludicrous positions.

The fact is that in all major respects the issue with food is the same as the issue with many other safety factors. As individuals people don't want to pay for them and want the choice, but as a society the cost is so high that mandatory guidelines are necessary.

Thats crap and you know it, car safety is totaly different than a food. I'm sick of guys telling me how everyone needs to live their life. I dont want to pay more for every foodstuff I buy because someone thinks all others are too stupid to decide for themselves what to eat. No one but children thinks McDonalds has a heathly menu.

[James T]

Originally Posted by pphalan

Thats crap and you know it, car safety is totaly different than a food. I'm sick of guys telling me how everyone needs to live their life. I dont want to pay more for every foodstuff I buy because someone thinks all others are too stupid to decide for themselves what to eat. No one but children thinks McDonalds has a heathly menu.

Name one real difference and justify it.

[James T]

Oh and take a look at this industry link http://www.hfcsfacts.com/ and this http://www.supermarketguru.com/page.cfm/2925 and tell me if you can't spot the similarity with the cigarette industry, smoking and cancer while you are at it.

If you bother to do some research this should concern you.

[pphalan]

It doesnt concern me one bit. You want a differance between cars and food? You are kidding me! A car with lousy brakes can kill others! A car that has a gas tank that explodes in an accident can kill the entire family inside! A big Mack can cause me to chock on it or block my arteries but I AINT NEVER HEARD OF MY EATING A FOOD KILLING SOMEONE ELSE!

[James T]

Originally Posted by pphalan

It doesnt concern me one bit. You want a differance between cars and food? You are kidding me! A car with lousy brakes can kill others! A car that has a gas tank that explodes in an accident can kill the entire family inside! A big Mack can cause me to chock on it or block my arteries but I AINT NEVER HEARD OF MY EATING A FOOD KILLING SOMEONE ELSE!

OK, so you like to shout. I'd hoped you'd have applied a little thought to the response. You obviously failed to look at the prior links so I suppose you won't follow this one either.

Both cars and food are manufactured by companies with the objective of minimising the cost so that the percentage profit they can achieve is higher. They both spend money on politicians to attempt to move the playing field in their favour. The result in both industries is that, as a group, consumers die younger and suffer more health problems.

Now I know, and as my young son might say aw dad, but you can't eat a Mack truck, silly. I'd hoped to provoke you to see the similarities for yourself.

[pphalan]

You would like to set yourself up as a little nazi over all the evil corps.What you call shouting I call making a point. If you were in front of me you see that Im laughing.

I gave a very logical answer to a question you put forward, no links you give me on this subject is going to change my mind on a basic piece of logic you have yet to understand and will never understand.

It is my life to do as I will. The choices I make are mine. You do harm to my rights when you shove your laws onto everyone. You say corps. but ignore the harm to all the people that work there. If you cant figure out individual rights and how you and your kind stiffle that, then I simply feel sorry for you. I notice how you have no real response to food vs cars.

[Blazer06]

Originally Posted by James T

OK, so you like to shout. I'd hoped you'd have applied a little thought to the response. You obviously failed to look at the prior links so I suppose you won't follow this one either.

Both cars and food are manufactured by companies with the objective of minimising the cost so that the percentage profit they can achieve is higher. They both spend money on politicians to attempt to move the playing field in their favour. The result in both industries is that, as a group, consumers die younger and suffer more health problems.

Now I know, and as my young son might say aw dad, but you can't eat a Mack truck, silly. I'd hoped to provoke you to see the similarities for yourself.

However, manufacturing faulty cars can hurt / kill other people. A car that is manufactured with faulty breaks can kill others unintentionally.

BUT, making "fatty" foods, has no effect on any, but those who eat it.

That is the difference. There are very, very few parallels between the car industry and the fat food industry. The objective of EVERY business is to minimize costs to increase profits.

MTA -- I agree, they should of gone through with what they said. However, who is stopping a person from reading the nutritional charts, or going online? As I said... if the business is doing something wrong, and people stop eating there, they will change. What it really is, that people don't give a **** and then are sitting there saying, "Well I didn't know that I would get fat" which is bull, and they know it, you know it and I know it.

If you do not like a product that a company sells... DONT BUY IT. Why should they have to change their products, forcefully by law, because of you? And that is what it breaks down to.

This lawsuit is just another step in the downsizing and destruction of the American economy and society.

As for the coffee thing – yes McDonald’s was serving pretty hot coffee, however she would not of burnt herself (as I am sure of the other cases reported) if she did not try to do this:

Fact #4 - The injured (burned) plaintiff in this case, 79 year old Stella Lieback, was not driving her car. She was seated as the passenger in her grandson's parked car, holding the coffee cup between her legs while removing the plastic lid. The cup tipped over and poured the scalding hot coffee into her lap causing third degree burns.

The cups are manufactured and created so you drink through a small hole. If you spill some, it usually does not burn you. If you drop the cup, they usually stay closed. (I’ve done that many times). God knows what she was doing, but she was MIS-USING the product, out of stupidity. That is not McDonald’s fault.


-Blaze