Car Talk!

**RobRich** · December 2nd, 2008, 08:33 PM

It is all about contrasts, and to be blunt, largely personal preferences - cash flow considerations aside.

Now if cash flow is a consideration, and we are talking straight line performance, a Mustang Mach 1 (SN-95) with the 4.6L DOHC can break 12s with an exhaust upgrade and drag radials. About $12k for a nice low-mileage example.

**Martoch** · December 2nd, 2008, 08:39 PM

Speaking of cars, I wish I knew more about them. I am thankful, however, that I no longer have to create new threads about my old Corolla. I love my new Tacoma!

SoloCamo · December 2nd, 2008, 08:46 PM

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It is all about contrasts, and to be blunt, largely personal preferences - cash flow considerations aside.

Now if cash flow is a consideration, and we are talking straight line performance, a Mustang Mach 1 (SN-95) with the 4.6L DOHC can break 12s with an exhaust upgrade and drag radials. About $12k for a nice low-mileage example.

Mach 1's are quite nice performers, practically a cobra with out the S/C and price tag.

RamonGTP · December 2nd, 2008, 10:28 PM

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And a Z06 is 11 second car powered by the rear wheels only with similar 0-60 times. It would be zero contest once you are going. Your point? Didn't realize it was a fraction of the z06's cost either?

480hp and even less torque is underpowered for a car weighing almost 4k lbs with AWD that costs roughly 80k.

If you think 480HP is going to move a car weighing 2 tons through the 1/4 mile in the 11 second range, you've got to do some more research. Especially one with the added parasitic drag of AWD which is NOT an advantage when we're talking about acceleration. It's pretty obvious that the GTR is under-rated by a huge margin. And how does the Z06 compare on the track?

I'm not knocking the Z06, I love the car infact, but I find it odd that you think it's such a great car when it posts similar performance characteristics with similar price points, yet somehow the GTR is the one that's overpriced and under powered. Sounds like typical domestic fanboyism to me.

The Real Bingo · December 2nd, 2008, 10:36 PM

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It's an 11 second car that can pull track time that would rival a CGT. Hardly under powered. Oh, and it does this at a fraction of the cost of other cars with similar performance characteristics. So hardly over-priced.

If you want a car that puts up numbers, fine...but I don't see where that gets you at the end of the day. You're paying for an ugly (IMO), overpriced, overhyped, and far too-expensive-to-repair vehicle. It does everything great, but it's not very inspiring.

**RobRich** · December 2nd, 2008, 10:39 PM

For whatever its worth, the Z06 is overpriced as well IMO. :shrug:

**RobRich** · December 2nd, 2008, 10:51 PM

Bingo, I will go one step further. If a person wants performance numbers, he usually can do far better in the aftermarket scene, especially when it comes to price.

The Real Bingo · December 2nd, 2008, 10:59 PM

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Bingo, I will go one step further. If a person wants performance numbers, he usually can do far better in the aftermarket scene, especially when it comes to price.

Absolutely, but the GT-R is not for the enthusiast. It's like people who buy ARF (almost ready to fly) model airplanes. They don't know how - or don't want - to use their own hands to build the plane. That's fine and dandy, but you can do better if you know what you're doing. Same thing with cars. If you care about numbers, but don't know what to do to a Mustang or a Camaro, then you buy a GT-R, or you pay someone to put your mods on. The GT-R is for the yuppie who wants to go fast, but doesn't want to be bothered with grease and dirt and wrenches.

SoloCamo · December 2nd, 2008, 11:07 PM

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If you think 480HP is going to move a car weighing 2 tons through the 1/4 mile in the 11 second range, you've got to do some more research. Especially one with the added parasitic drag of AWD which is NOT an advantage when we're talking about acceleration. It's pretty obvious that the GTR is under-rated by a huge margin. And how does the Z06 compare on the track?

I'm not knocking the Z06, I love the car infact, but I find it odd that you think it's such a great car when it posts similar performance characteristics with similar price points, yet somehow the GTR is the one that's overpriced and under powered. Sounds like typical domestic fanboyism to me.

So...having traction at low speed/stop has nothing to do with realistic acceleration? I suppose being RWD from a dig has no advantage over FWD either than.

The Z06 is a sports car IMO (light, RWD and just so happens to have a 427 under the hood). The GT-R is a 4,000lb gizmo with wheels. I just find it funny that the GT-R has all of these advanced features and engineering, yet still get's rivaled/surpassed by much simpler, yet refined RWD setups on the drag strip and the circuit.

I love skylines, and I'd gladly take a R32-R34. The R35 is just not the same to me even if it performs superior to previous gens. Call it domestic fanboyism if you'd like it, but it's how I feel about the car. Besides, it's ugly.

RamonGTP · December 2nd, 2008, 11:31 PM

The AWD helps with the launch, the advantage ends there.

Which much simpler car in it's price range surpasses it at the circuit?

And the only reason I labled your remarks as domestic fanboyism isn't becuase you like the Z06 better, I like the Z06 better as well, but becuase you pretty much called the GTR over priced and under performing, yet gave the Z06 praise when it has similar price and performance.

Look is all subjective, performance isn't, so that really has nothing to do with it.