911 buffs. Does this do justice to debunking many claims of conspiracy theorists?  | |
July 8th, 2005, 04:04 PM
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| 911 buffs. Does this do justice to debunking many claims of conspiracy theorists?
Is the following compelling explainations/evidence that the following conspiracy theories are complete bunk? If not why? More importantly does it change you mind on any of the theories I attempted to debunk? Quote: Bombs in the basement of WTC1 and 2:
I can't remember Which WTC 1 or 2, but the conspiracy theory goes: in the basement they used thermite to burn the supports out. Furthermore the theory goes that the seismic activity recorded at the time indicate a massive explosion prior to buildings collapsing.
Now if you remember correctly at approximately the impact point on WTC 1 or 2 you saw the top of the building cant 30°s to the right and then proceed to collapse. How did the thermite in the basement cause this? The point of failure was obviously in the midst of the inferno. Now you could say that there were explosives on the floors where the planes struck but again I would have to ask, how would explosives have survived the inferno for 45 minutes? So for at least one tower it would appear as if the plane was instrumental in bringing down the structure proving the experts backing the conspiracy theory wrong.
Thermite is a high temperature reaction that is not explosive and hence would not have recorded any seismic activity. Hijackers found alive and well:
The 19 names argument is so thin I thought I had given you a plausable explaination for that one. Middle east terrorists steal identities, use alias names, and live in a region where many names are the same. Why is it so hard to believe that 6 or so guys could come forward saying that it was not them. Terrorists have many alias names from what I have seen. This leaves intelligence the problem of figuring out the genisis name, being that we obviously do not have them in our control the name used is only the best guess name available at the time of their discovery and subsequent research. Wittnesses reported multiple explosions:
The people at the scene of these disasters report more explosions than governments official version. Well from experience we all know that eyewittnesses to major disasters seem to have problems determining where sounds come from and (not intentionally) confuse sounds. Structural failure of beams and concrete put under tremendous loads makes an explosive sound.
The murrah building multiple explosion theory. Just looking at the destruction I would say that this was not an attempt at a controlled demolition. The back of the building was still standing, with obvious structural failure radiating out in an arc from the intitial blast point. To my untrained eye it would appear as if the majority of the damage happened somewhere around mid building and damage moved out from there with less and less major supports damaged as one would expect from the normal dissapation of energy. the multiple bomb theory appears all wet. Missile hit pentagon theory:
The missile/pentagon theory has been proven false even though the conspiracy experts explained scientifically how it must have been a missile. Using silly evidence like the 12 foot hole in ring x and video footage from one camera. Also the concept of a missile doing this would require a 2000 lb bomb to say the least. now you have two kinds of bombs as far as I am concerned penetrating and impact. Penetrating (for lack of a better term) would be able to make it to the inner ring but it would have caused debris to be blown out from deep inside the building. The collapse though appeared to be more of a pancake of the outter ring with no ejecta. An external explosion or an impact bomb would not have made the hole in the inner ring. Proving conclusively that the conspiracy theory and experts supporting it are completely all wet. General stuff:
The governments story may be all wet and full of holes but those holes are more in keeping with CYA, and the fact that this is an investigation of a crime with out the advent of having those guilty of comitting it available for questioning. CYA creates inconsistancy, intel gathered from wittnesses is somewhat unreliable because the trauma of events and subsequent conversations theorizing creates new facts and modified facts. It is proven fact that when presented with a traumatic event people will start to fill in holes in their story and present it as fact. Just saw a show on some college experiments. Some nature college students are taken out on a nature walk. They come upon the scene of a crashed something or other. The trauma appears when military personel scare them with harsh warnings to get out of the area. 24 hours later after letting the people mull it over at the hotel. The facts are completely screwed up.
This explains how people can honestly say things happened even though they did not. Take an event where 10's of thousands of people see something horrific happen and you will most certainly be able to get stories from, they saw gods hand in the smoke pulling the building to the luck charms elf did it. It would take someone interviewing everyone to determine which stories corroberate and which stories do not.
Recent example of this is the simple fact that more bombs were heard on the london bombing. someone speaking to the press or the press itself combined events improperly resulting in initial higher number.
The NWO theory requires highly educated rich absolutely amoral people to band together risking prison on risky flimsy plans for some theoretical future NWO which might well threaten their very wealth and power. If nukes start flying no one wins, not the rich and not the poor. Playing this game of trying to start a holy war, or to get israel to battle with iran and pakistan is simply too riskyy to their investments.
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July 8th, 2005, 11:25 PM
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Recent example of this is the simple fact that more bombs were heard on the london bombing. someone speaking to the press or the press itself combined events improperly resulting in initial higher number.
This is easily explained by the explosions happening in tunnels, the noise would be heard at adjacent stations and initially counted by both stations, as more than one location heard it and survivors exited from more than 1 station, but from the same train.
There were two other "controlled explosions" carried out by Met experts on Thursday but no other bombs were found
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July 8th, 2005, 11:36 PM
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Whenever evidence is taken by the state controlled security forces, then not released promptly or never, and the evidence conflicts with eyewitnesses accounts, people become suspicious.
You have a history of events which are open to various explanations, yet evidence is kept from the public, or conflicting evidence is used and things which dont agree with the govt line are ignored.
JFK and Bobby Kennedy are two such botched and covered up assassinations. |
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July 11th, 2005, 08:48 AM
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Disley,
Long and short do the scenarios I put forth blow the doors off of the specific conspiracy theories I addressed? |
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