Good law and order "A military be damned type of reporter got shot"

[Epidemic]

I thought it looked like a great idea. A treasonous reporter who was reporting negative stuff about the troops gets capped when back in NYC. The sad part was that he did not die.

Of course they track it down to a soldier with a beef with him, and they try hard to jail him, However like alex jones it turns out everything was fabricated. The soldier was innocent and the reporter actually arranged the shooting himself.

[osprey4]

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy!!

Reporters seem to be giving lawyers and used car salesmen a good reputation lately.

[John Prophet]

you are letting yourselves fall into the brainwashing that anyone who dissents is fair game for whatever abuse the system wants to dish out

with all the blatant lies the Bush administration and other administration tells...with all the cover ups....how can you let yourselves be brainwashed into thinking that the govt/military is right and they have the right to kill reporters??

do you even fathom what you are saying???


"reporting negative stuff about the troops" you mean like raping, beating to death, pouring chemicals on people...that sort of "negative" stuff??


I will say it again as it is more clear as time passes....Bush is nothing but a second rate Hitler..the proof is in the pudding of what the American mindset is becoming under him.

[paul9]

I saw that one a while back.

[Epidemic]

JP,

"reporting negative stuff about the troops" you mean like raping, beating to death, pouring chemicals on people...that sort of "negative" stuff??

Yeah fun stuff like that real or manufactured evidence should be tempered by what was done about it. Perhaps not even reported on if the problem has been dealt with. MY need and the public at large's need to know is not served by rehashing old news or even normal battle field mistakes. They serve only to get ratings, and make reporters richer while killing iraqis, soldiers and civillians. I am sorry but some creative filtering and self control should be exercised by those reporting the stories. But if you feel rehashing abu-ghiab photo's after the problem was under investigation was worth the several hundred deaths and months added to the iraqi campaign was worth it.

This is the stuff of history not news, if it gets people killed today, it probably should be held until tomorrow.

The price of failure in Iraq will be civil war and ultimately a repressive regime akin to saddam which will result in continued suffering. Just for a Pulitzer prize and "the peoples right to know" anecdotal war trivia.

[John Prophet]

I just 100% absolutely and totally disagree with you there

"filtered" news is another word for Propaganda

we used to make fun of "Pravda" being state-run etc....and now here you and others are advocating the same thing for America

we used to make fun of Gulags and now we run them

[zen]

I thought it looked like a great idea. A treasonous reporter who was reporting negative stuff about the troops gets capped when back in NYC. The sad part was that he did not die.

Of course they track it down to a soldier with a beef with him, and they try hard to jail him, However like alex jones it turns out everything was fabricated. The soldier was innocent and the reporter actually arranged the shooting himself.

Linkage?

[Epidemic]

I just 100% absolutely and totally disagree with you there

"filtered" news is another word for Propaganda

we used to make fun of "Pravda" being state-run etc....and now here you and others are advocating the same thing for America

we used to make fun of Gulags and now we run them

Absolutely propaganda is right. Propaganda is good at times. I am not even asking for blatant propaganda, Just filtering what will do no good but will do much harm.

it is the difference between a story which asks if we need more troops or a story which tells everyone that manpower is down 75% due to the flu. Reporting that a week after the flu is over is the filter needed there.

Abu-ghiab was year old information of a problem in the process of being resolved. The need to know aspect of that should be tempered with what do you feel the logical outcome to the story will be in terms of life and death. Great piece for the history channel in 5 or 6 years.

[Hungrycookpot]

I thought it looked like a great idea. A treasonous reporter who was reporting negative stuff about the troops gets capped when back in NYC. The sad part was that he did not die.

Of course they track it down to a soldier with a beef with him, and they try hard to jail him, However like alex jones it turns out everything was fabricated. The soldier was innocent and the reporter actually arranged the shooting himself.

I'm just wondering how reporting negative things is treasonous?

[phenious]

Was a re-run but I liked the episode Go Law and Order! (dont care for many of the spin-offs, Jerry was the best )

[Epidemic]

Linkage?

http://www.great-tv-shows.com/lao14/index.php

Disk 1 the episode is called Embedded.

That seems about as close as I can come to a link.



PS it was tresonous in the episode because he reported active troop movements allowing for planned attacks which resulted in 3 dead soldiers.

personally though I feel that it aids and compforts the enemy. Improves their ability to recruit and ultimately costs lives of American soldiers, costs tax money, increased duration of the war. Other than that it is just wonderful.

[Smidley]

At first, I thought this was a real world event.

Still, "[w]ho controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past."

[Jarhed7276]

"reporting negative stuff about the troops" you mean like raping, beating to death, pouring chemicals on people...that sort of "negative" stuff??

No, actually what the reporter did (and keep in mind that this was a tv show) was report military objectives and troop movements that enabled the insurgents to set up an ambush that resulted in the deaths of three soldiers.

In this case do you still believe the reporters story should not have been "filtered"? In the story the accused stated that had he given such information he would have been court marshalled and hung.

[ChubTub]

"reporting negative stuff about the troops" you mean like raping, beating to death, pouring chemicals on people...that sort of "negative" stuff??

It is a sad day when this gets over looked.

Reporting troop movements is very different from the above.

[zen]

At first, I thought this was a real world event.

me too, sorry Epi.

[Epidemic]

True smidley,

what I suggest is a slippery slope. I wish reporters were a little more proactive thinkers, considering remefications before spouting off for ratings. We need some good 1940's reporter loyalty and patriotism. Not a blind eye to problems but a weather eye for results of actions and stories.


to the absolute free press folks with no self controls, what do you feel the results of stories like abu-ghiab and the likes results were or are?

Did they shorten the war or lengthen it?

Do they foster unrest and lack of security for the locals and our soldiers?

Do they help anyone (especially considering the prison scandel was being addressed well before the story was even discovered)?

What is the likely result of america pulling out of iraq right now or a year ago when the story ran?

The only beneficiaries of stories like this (to me) appear to be Corporate execs with higher ratings, reporter with notoriety, and those who seek power in iraq (as insurgency recruitment tools).

[ChubTub]

The only beneficiaries of stories like this (to me) appear to be Corporate execs with higher ratings, reporter with notoriety, and those who seek power in iraq (as insurgency recruitment tools).

Ya who cares about the poor soul getting tortured.

The free press is the only thing right now that we can rely on. Our press here is a joke. Of course to clarify I do not support anything such as giving out our troop movements. On the other hand if we mess up big time I feel the world needs to know. A country for the people can not be 'good' and blind at the same time.

[Epidemic]

I also agree with that chubtub.

Only I feel that certain things come under the category of normal war activities. The torture at the prison first off was already being addressed the coverage did not stop it the military identified the problem and put a stop to it. The torture in the grand scheme of torture and war was akin to a forced hazing. Bad well that can be argued either way, but not near the worst. However the reporting on that particular story did not stop torture (the military took care of that a year earlier) but it did create riots, did get people killed (rather than embarrased) and ultimately converted a few fence sitters to active combatants. Who killed innocent people, killed our boys, and blew up real infrastructure causing people to feel discompfort, starvation, and generally screwing stuff up.

The story helped no one, but killed real men, women, children and soldiers. Wow hip hip horah for my right to know. 3 weeks of good ratings was worth any amount of death and destruction I guess. Hell the good ratings were boosted by the higher body counts of the first story.


Again what is the cost of journalists with no self control?

What is the price to be paid if america leaves iraq right now?

Do you think that iraq is doomed to civil war and therefore we should leave today?

Do you think that iraq is more likely to have a civil war if they are seen as puppets of the evil United states as evidenced by abu ghiab?

do you think that a civil war is less likely if we keep report stories like the prison abuse?

[sharder8]

Ya who cares about the poor soul getting tortured.

Everyone does! Including the U.S. Military that immediately went in and started investigating, trying to find out who was doing it, who was responsible, and why. Like mentioned earlier, the Military was already all over it, well before the story was published.

The free press is the only thing right now that we can rely on. Our press here is a joke. Of course to clarify I do not support anything such as giving out our troop movements. On the other hand if we mess up big time I feel the world needs to know. A country for the people can not be 'good' and blind at the same time.

You believe you can rely on the free press???

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Yes, the world needs to know if we really mess up . . . but the timing can be the difference between life and death, and whether we're there for another year or three more years. Since it had been identified and was being investigated . . . wouldn't it be safe to assume that it would eventually be released to the press??

Harder

[John Prophet]

I am going to break into a guys house....tie him and his wife up....get them dependent on me for food...then I am going to claim I should stay forever by saying "what is the cost if I leave now?"