Secret Law??

[no1_vern]

I will bet most people dont know about this and its important!

http://www.unknownnews.org/0503080227Gilmore.html

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SAN FRANCISCO -- John Gilmore's splendid isolation began July 4, 2002, when, with defiance aforethought, he strolled to the Southwest Airlines counter at Oakland Airport and presented his ticket.

The gate agent asked for his ID.

Gilmore asked her why.

It is the law, she said.

Gilmore asked to see the law.

Nobody could produce a copy. To date, nobody has. The regulation that mandates ID at airports is "Sensitive Security Information." The law, as it turns out, is unavailable for inspection.

What started out as a weekend trip to Washington became a crawl through the courts in search of an answer to Gilmore's question: Why?

In post 9/11 America, asking "Why?" when someone from an airline asks for identification can start some interesting arguments. Gilmore, who learned to argue on the debate team in his hometown of Bradford, McKean County, has started an argument that, should it reach its intended target, the U.S. Supreme Court, would turn the rules of national security on end, reach deep into the tug-of-war between private rights and public safety, and play havoc with the Department of Homeland Security.

At the heart of Gilmore's stubbornness is the worry about the thin line between safety and tyranny.

"Are they just basically saying we just can't travel without identity papers? If that's true, then I'd rather see us go through a real debate that says we want to introduce required identity papers in our society rather than trying to legislate it through the back door through regulations that say there's not any other way to get around," Gilmore said. "Basically what they want is a show of obedience."

Mr. Gilmore is attempting to sue for his rights.

In his brief he stated:

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STATEMENT REGARDING ORAL ARGUMENT
Does requiring a passenger to show a government-issued proof of identity (“ID”) in order to fly violate that passenger’s right to travel?
2. Does requiring a passenger to show ID in order to fly violate that passenger’s rights of assembly and redress?
3. Does requiring a passenger to show ID in order to fly violate that passenger’s rights to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures?
4. Does forcing a passenger to choose between producing ID and being subjected to a more extensive search in order to travel violate the doctrine of unconstitutional conditions?
5. Does the secrecy of the Government’s requirement that a passenger show ID in order to fly violate that passenger’s right to due process?
6. Does Mr. Gilmore have standing to address the reasons for the ID requirement?
7.Does the District Court have jurisdiction to hear challenges to actions of the Transportation Security Administration and the Federal Aviation Administration as applied?

[shawshank62]

I have to show an ID to get into a nightclub...why? Because its their club, and if i want to get in i need to prove that I really am over 18.

The airline owns their planes, and if they ask you for ID to get onto the plane it seems reasonable they have this right to make sure you really are who you say you are, or else simply turn around and leave.

The problem here seems to stem from the fact that the woman said "its the law" where there may be no specific law, it seems reasonable that the airline can still ask to see your ID if you want to board the plane.

[pickel]

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Originally Posted by shawshank62

I have to show an ID to get into a nightclub...why? Because its their club, and if i want to get in i need to prove that I really am over 18.

The airline owns their planes, and if they ask you for ID to get onto the plane it seems reasonable they have this right to make sure you really are who you say you are, or else simply turn around and leave.

The problem here seems to stem from the fact that the woman said "its the law" where there may be no specific law, it seems reasonable that the airline can still ask to see your ID if you want to board the plane.

IMO, this is pure D B.S. If that was the case, you should have to show ID to get on the Subway, the Staten Island ferry, or a Greyhound bus. This country's security is so ass-backwards it's sickening. Less than 2% of the containers that come into our ports are checked and now whoever the idiot was wants the give control to the A Rabs. No insult intended. I just want American Good Ole Boys watching out for me and mine. Who's responsible for the trade deficit...Not me !!!
I buy more American made stuff than I do foreign. Who's buying all this stuff ????
We need to find out and boycott those companies sending our country down the drain. You can't rely on our elected officials. They're all crooks ,IMO. So, tell just what , in the hell, are we supposed to do ?????????????

[shawshank62]

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IMO, this is pure D B.S. If that was the case, you should have to show ID to get on the Subway, the Staten Island ferry, or a Greyhound bus. This country's security is so ass-backwards it's sickening. Less than 2% of the containers that come into our ports are checked and now whoever the idiot was wants the give control to the A Rabs. No insult intended. I just want American Good Ole Boys watching out for me and mine. Who's responsible for the trade deficit...Not me !!!

It seems like you want security, but you're not willing to simply show your ID to make sure that the ID name/photo matches up with your face, and the boarding pass. Come on now, every flight ive gone on i've had to do this, and i have no problem with it. It just ensures that somebody didn't beat you up in the rest room, and take your boarding pass and tries to jump on the plane and do who knows what.