Immigration officials nab kids to net parents

[Beemer]

Quote:

Updated Sat. Apr. 29 2006 11:59 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

In an unusual move designed to net an illegal immigrant couple, immigration officials in Toronto went to a school and threatened to take away two young sisters if their parents didn't turn themselves in.

The officials then took the sisters, who are seven and 14-years-old, and their Costa Rican mother to a detention centre.

They were eventually released into the care of a friend.

The girls' Costa Rican father, who remains in hiding, told the Toronto Star he was shocked by the action.

"This is very strange. I don't understand what happened," Alvaro Serdas told the newspaper, speaking through an interpreter.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

What happened is you came here under false pretences and then you were ordered to leave and didn't. Now you have your family in a mess ya dumb poop.

Respect the laws of the sovereign nation you are visiting and you won't have a dumb look on your face when they come to get ya.

[lost-and-found]

Exactly. I cannot stand when pro-criminal immigration supporters use the argument: "But you will split up families." Illegal immigrants know that what they are doing is illegal, and they know that when they set up a family they take a risk of losing everything they've done, just like with any other criminal activity.

[dday]

Beemer, are telling me you are a racist!?!?!?

I mean, if I say that same thing too loud here at the Southern Border leading to the Estados Unidos, I would get bludgeoned about the head and shoulders. I would be told that I'm a racist, nazi, hater. I just love it when people are suprised that breaking the law will get you in trouble. Go Figure, Huh!!

[lost-and-found]

When illegal immigrant proponents call us "racists", I laugh. It's a name that cannot be used in this sense, since "illegal immigrants" are not a race.

[YottaHertz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lost-and-found

Exactly. I cannot stand when pro-criminal immigration supporters use the argument: "But you will split up families." Illegal immigrants know that what they are doing is illegal, and they know that when they set up a family they take a risk of losing everything they've done, just like with any other criminal activity.

Umm... I wouldn't compare setting up a family - be it legal or illegal - to other criminal activities..... but that's just me...

I'm not trying to condone illegal activities - be it illegal immigration or any other criminal activity. However though, I think there should be a clear distinction - and there *is* a clear distinction - between violating immigration laws and/or commiting a violent crime.

I think the Canadian officials' action to take the two minors to a detention center was - how should I put this - problematic. First off, I would consider it to be a violation of their *HUMAN* rights. The reason I say that is because, legally speaking, proving their legal liability by using the mens rea test would be all but impossible. So, what we have is a "classic" case where people are used as a means to an end - and that, to me, raises some serious moral/ethical concerns.

Such practices do nothing but promote mediocrity in the ranks of immigration officials. We're well on the way to promoting a worldwide culture of mediocrity.

Once again, that action - to arrest/detain the 2 minors - was unjustified, unethical and inhumane.

[JimRune]

Quote:

It's a name that cannot be used in this sense, since "illegal immigrants" are not a race.

Though those illegal immigrants are people from different countries, which is how someone attempts to justify racism.

The way I see it, if you're illegal, you're breaking the law, and that's that. You're in the country (we're still a country, even though we may be a "flagship" for freedom, so we have rules) and you must adhere to our rules.

Racism is quite different in that a person targets a certain group based on racial preferences. It's common knowledge that not all illegal immigrants are Mexican (I know Honduras is one of the countries.. Cuba too I think?).

[Beemer]

Profiling is a pretty successful way of directing an attack on illegal immigration. It's a good place to start an investigation all the while keeping in mind that the law imposes limitations to the investigation but doesn't make the purpose of the investigation invalid, nor does it make the profiling an invalid means within the process.

The racist & bigot card is widely misused and in many cases is a diversionary tactic. Personally, I disregard the terms if they are obviously misapplied.

If it were me setting the pace, I would provide the opportunity for the father to come forward and join the family in the deportation event. If the father fails to turn himself in, I would proceed to send the family back without the father.

His priorities will be quite apparent at this point. His freedom is more important than being with his family.

Our laws in Canada and the United States are in large part, what define us as Canadian or U.S. citizens. Gaining access to our countries through illegal means, means someone has missed this point and does not know what it is that makes us unique in the world.

Membership is denied based on activity already established, being contrary to the law as it is written, in this land.

Get the **** out and learn some manors. Tell a friend.

[YottaHertz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemer

Profiling is a pretty successful way of directing an attack on illegal immigration. It's a good place to start an investigation all the while keeping in mind that the law imposes limitations to the investigation but doesn't make the purpose of the investigation invalid, nor does it make the profiling an invalid means within the process.

Really?

So, lemme get this straight, if it were up to you you'd use any means necessary - in particular profiling - to catch and and deport illegal immigrants. You need to get your priorities straight. While, I don't support illegal immigration - and by that I mean I don't condone breaking the law whatever law that might be - I don't regard illegal immigrants as a danger to society - enough of a danger to justify having them - and especially minors - detained. Apparently you think they an imminent danger to society and that's just sad...

Cutting corners by using various questionable "techniques" to finish an investigation IS what promotes mediocrity in the ranks of the people who should take care of this problem - that's represented by individuals violating immigration laws. And, apparently, you support mediocrity in the ranks of those who are paid by my tax dollars to their job legally & ethically.

Cheers,
Yotta

[Beemer]

You put a lot of words in my mouth that aren't stated by me. I’ll briefly address them anyway.

Mediocrity starts when you unduly tie the hands of enforcement officials. The priority here is enforcement of the immigration law at present.

Illegal immigrants in this day and age add danger to our countries. An application reveals many things about the character of the applicant. Investigation into the applicant can and will be carried out. Canada has a right to know who is on its soil and if the person is of good character based on the investigation started by the application process.

Many undesirable qualities may show up in the application process, which if avoided, allows criminals or terrorists to invade and operate in the country.

Illegal immigrants create a big question mark where there shouldn't be one. You have to look a little farther than the end of your sympathetic nose to grasp the full implications of illegal immigration and all demographics within the illegal immigrant population and why they chose to gain illegal entry into the country.

There are many reasons why our countries have immigration laws.

[Beemer]

It ain't going to work here. Sorry.....lol

Quote:

Updated Sat. May. 27 2006 8:46 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Immigrants, refugees and their supporters gathered in Toronto and other cities to protest the deportation of illegal workers.

Protesters in Toronto on Saturday called on the federal government to give immediate permanent residence or landed immigrant status to all illegal workers.

They complained about Canadian Border Services Agency officers of targeting non-status workers in shopping malls and subways.

Protesters also brought up the one case where officers nabbed two children in school as "bait" for the children.

In Toronto, the increased enforcement has particularly affected Portuguese workers who have overstayed temporary work permits.

Olivia Chow, the Toronto NDP MP whose Trinity-Spadina riding has a large Portuguese component, told the crowd that she expects a motion asking the government to temporarily suspend deportations will pass at the committee level and come before the House of Commons this week.

Organizers put the number of undocumented workers in Canada at 500,000.

However, the Conservative government is taking a firm official stance on illegal immigrants.

"We have an obligation to the hundreds of thousands of people waiting to get into this country to make sure we don't reward those who don't play by the rules," Immigration Minister Monte Solberg has said.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

What don't they understand about being here after the stipulated period of time? It's time to go home!