White House is cutting and running from "stay the course."

[pickel]

Imagine that !!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15392441/

President Bush and his aides are annoyed that people keep misinterpreting his Iraq policy as "stay the course." A complete distortion, they say. "That is not a stay-the-course policy," White House press secretary Tony Snow declared yesterday.

HaHa What a joke. The ULTIMATE flip/flop .

Where would anyone have gotten that idea? Well, maybe from Bush.

"We will stay the course. We will help this young Iraqi democracy succeed," he said in Salt Lake City in August.

"We will win in Iraq so long as we stay the course," he said in Milwaukee in July.

"I saw people wondering whether the United States would have the nerve to stay the course and help them succeed," he said after returning from Baghdad in June.

But the White House is cutting and running from "stay the course." A phrase meant to connote steely resolve instead has become a symbol for being out of touch and rigid in the face of a war that seems to grow worse by the week, Republican strategists say. Democrats have now turned "stay the course" into an attack line in campaign commercials, and the Bush team is busy explaining that "stay the course" does not actually mean stay the course .

This has to be the BIGGEST sack of B.S. the White House has EVER come up with
I can't stop laughing .And they think , with a straight face, anybody is going to beleive this crap. Oh , I forget Chuckiechan will eat this up...Anybody else ????

ROFLMAO ************************************************** ***

[indus49]

It's sad... I can't imagine what future Americans will think of this time in our history, but my feeling is it will be remembered with shame.

[pickel]

It's sad... I can't imagine what future Americans will think of this time in our history, but my feeling is it will be remembered with shame.

Welcome to Tech IMO !!!! I can well understand your feelings. The whole political structure has let us down in so many ways but with our young boys dieing and getting maimed in such numbers it's a TOTAL disgrace. All we can do is pray the future will be ALOT different.

[Mojo Risin']

Okay, I’m in. Stay the course is committed to not cutting and running. Others interpret that to mean “keep on doing what your doing with no adjustments”. Fact is we are winning this war in Iraq hands down, just as we did in Viet Nam. Haven’t lost a battle yet. (Same thing as Viet Nam.) Unfortunately, the agenda driven media has chosen to present the war in such a way that they will even provide news clips that only help to further the terrorist’s cause and negatively sway public support in order to advance their ideals. Guaranteed Bush will not let what the media did to Viet Nam happen here. There’s way too much more here at stake, and if you can’t realize that then maybe you’ve been shacked up in a spider hole like Saddam was.

[pickel]

Okay, I’m in. Stay the course is committed to not cutting and running. Others interpret that to mean “keep on doing what your doing with no adjustments”. Fact is we are winning this war in Iraq hands down, just as we did in Viet Nam. Haven’t lost a battle yet. (Same thing as Viet Nam.) Unfortunately, the agenda driven media has chosen to present the war in such a way that they will even provide news clips that only help to further the terrorist’s cause and negatively sway public support in order to advance their ideals. Guaranteed Bush will not let what the media did to Viet Nam happen here. There’s way too much more here at stake, and if you can’t realize that then maybe you’ve been shacked up in a spider hole like Saddam was.

It was North Viet Nam that "won" the war , not the media , as we are getting our asses kicked in Iraq. When did you get back from Baghdad to report the latest news ????? I got the straight dope at the VA hospital last week from the horses mouth. I'm sick of paying to rip off Big Business for over priced commodities of war. Same as Nam...the oil and munitions companies making a killing. Cheney's Haliburtion sucking us dry for all they can get. And ignorant citizendry( anyone posting in this thread ??????) being lied to time after time. There's alot at stake, however Bush is the last person who should be running the show. He's proved his ineptness and should let the military boys take over while maybe there's time to salvage this mess.

[RADAR1797]

pickel,

I do not know who the hell you have been talking to, but my buddies over there now are not under the impression they are getting their asses kicked.

[pickel]

pickel,

I do not know who the hell you have been talking to, but my buddies over there now are not under the impression they are getting their asses kicked.

I reckon when your body has just been re-arranged your reality is slightly different from the norm.

read these

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HJ24Ak02.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...6074182.stm?ls

http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?...rder=0&thold=0

[Epidemic]

It was North Viet Nam that "won" the war , not the media , .

The north won when we left... Why did we leave vietnam?

Was it because it was impossible for us to win as we had our butts handed to us in battle after battle?

Was it a lack of will power and desire to continue to spend treasure and political capita?

Was it an inability to meet the demands of war?


AFAIAC (for better or for worse) the people were convinced it was a no win situation that had no personal benefit to them in their daily lives or futures.

[MTAtech]

Regarding Iraq, it isn't use versus them. The major fighting and violence in Iraq is religious factions fighting each other in a civil war with the purpose of jockeying for power in the new country. The U.S. is basically backing the Shiite controlled government.

[Shabow]

Pickel, why are you so content with losing?

[The Real Bingo]

I don't get the big deal. Unlike flimsy Democratic policy, a coined phrase - or a cliche - won't determine what actually goes on in Iraq. No, we'll still be doing what we do - kicking ass in Iraq - regardless of some catch phrase. That is unless the Democrats start running things...then we won't know our asses from our heads.

[MTAtech]

Pickel, why are you so content with losing?

The comment implies that Pickel's attitude is the problem and not the disasterous policy. If Pickel just had a more positive outlook Iraq would be no problem. Just drink the KoolAid Pickel.

[BBA]

It's sad... I can't imagine what future Americans will think of this time in our history, but my feeling is it will be remembered with shame.

How I think it will be remembered?

There will be a time when the historians will look back and see a great country that gave it's most prized possession, their strong and young, in order to aid the victims of the world live without tyranny.

One day, they will appreciate the US for it's contributions of today. This is what makes us a great country, the willingness of it's patriots to die in order to help others.


You guys need to see things in perspective and stop giving in to personal hatred.

[Chuckiechan]

The Islamic Revolution is planning to take down the USA. At least they say they are going to try. I for one have a tendancy to believe what they say. The Democrats don't and either does the Mainstream Media. I do.

There is no one to negotiate with who will accept anything less than our conversion to Islam and surrender. These people need to be taken seriously. Our disengagement in historical perspective is what leads to wider more dangerous wars.

When it hits the fan, and it will, and oil stops flowing to the USA from the middle east due to a blockage of the Strait of Hormuz, we may be paying $100 a barrel. Now you can laugh, but if you have a job where you are expected to report to, how are you going to get there? And will your company survive the drastic reduction of disposable household income? Many won't.

If anything, our absence from the middle east will embolden our enemies to try even worse things. If they nuke us, are we going to turn the other cheek like we did with the embassy bombings, the US Cole, the first WTC bombing? You have to stand up and be counted. We will probably return fire in kind, and if you think the middle east is a mess now, you just wait!

Radical Islam has won in Spain, England, Thiland, and getting close in USA - what lessens do you think they will learn? Advertising? No. Terrorism defeats governments. If you don't think these terrorists are working together, why has nothing else happened in Spain? Why nothing in France and Germany? Because they have folded their tents and withdrew from the fight - IE surrendered.

[pickel]

How I think it will be remembered?

There will be a time when the historians will look back and see a great country that gave it's most prized possession, their strong and young, in order to aid the victims of the world live without tyranny.

One day, they will appreciate the US for it's contributions of today. This is what makes us a great country, the willingness of it's patriots to die in order to help others.


You guys need to see things in perspective and stop giving in to personal hatred.

Very well said BBA. If these "jump the gun" pundits would read my post, the whole post and nothing but the post, they might see that I want to leave the running of the war to the best qualified...The Generals of the Army not some dimwit who doesn't know schitt from shineola about ANYTHING, except how to take care of his OIL buddies, run up the national debt and refuse to show the coffins of our brave young men coming home for their final tribute. When I get to Hell, I got first dibs on Georgie Boy.

[ChubTub]

First off this is nothing like Vietnam. We have 3 factions that would like to see each other dead. We can not win this war in the sense of when we leave the country will be at peace. It just is not going to happen. They are not going to want peace with each other for along time. We are not talking years we are talking decades.

We can not fix this. The 3 factions have to want to fix it until then we can sit in there and be good targets for them. These people think differently than us they will not change there minds in the next couple years. It is sad to say but Saddam had better control of the country than we do now by far. The methods he used to control the people were harsh enough to keep them under control. These are methods we can not use without becoming the total enemy.

I would like to finish this but I have to watch someone put in a garage door.

[dr_roberts49]

Okay, I’m in. Stay the course is committed to not cutting and running. Others interpret that to mean “keep on doing what your doing with no adjustments”. Fact is we are winning this war in Iraq hands down, just as we did in Viet Nam. Haven’t lost a battle yet. (Same thing as Viet Nam.) Unfortunately, the agenda driven media has chosen to present the war in such a way that they will even provide news clips that only help to further the terrorist’s cause and negatively sway public support in order to advance their ideals. Guaranteed Bush will not let what the media did to Viet Nam happen here. There’s way too much more here at stake, and if you can’t realize that then maybe you’ve been shacked up in a spider hole like Saddam was.

This is the 2nd time I've heard you make this comment about Viet Nam, and I ask for the 2nd time. Where you there?

Robert

[cyphen]

First off, the entire premise of this thread is deeply flawed as was pointed out earlier. Bush and Rusmfeld have left the battlefield decisions to the military. Stay the course has always meant staying until we win. It was conceived because so many from the left were calling for us to leave. Bush has always said we stay and we win. This is just another leftist attempt to undermine the effort. It's what they're best at.

As far as Vietnam goes, it's a matter of historical record. The North Vietnamese Army didn't defeat us. Not in the least. We won every battle.

Anyone who thinks that we were defeated by anything but propoganda needs to get a clue. One of the North's top generals said outright in an interview that they couldn't have won without the Antiwar left in America. They would watch the American news every day, and Ho Chi Minh considered them as another branch of his military. They were spurred on by the support of the Antiwar left, which was run and conceived for the purposes of Communist Victory through the removal of the US military. This comes from one of the people who was central in organizing those efforts in those days and came to regret his actions and views.... David Horowitz.

The same is happening in Iraq today. The only way we can lose is by the sapping of support in the US. And the result of our removal from the area would be the same .... a bloodbath. Those who propose we leave should consider the fact that our withdrawal from Vietnam resulted in the Communist armies slaughtering 2.5 million people. How many will the militias slaughter if they have no US military to contend with? How many will terrorists and insurgents destroy - and those who are left, how many will they enslave?

Think about it.

[Toadman]

It's irrelevant to the Left. They're going FTW even if repercussions of victory include wholesale genocide of an entire country in the infancy of Democracy. The Sunni/Shiite/Al Qaeda/God-knows-who-else-wants-a-piece slaughter of sympathizers that will occur if a Dem-mandated pull-out will be blamed on "Bush's War". Think about that one and who really will have their hands bloodied. The outcry from Muslim nations and across-the-board global condemnation for cut and running.

[TOAD6147]

...we won't know our asses from our heads...

That's because one will be up the other.
Intelligent comments by members of the GOP (Grand Old Perverts).