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    Need opinions on H versus V rated tires

    I'm going to replace the tires on my 2004 Accord LX (4 cyl, manual). This will be the third set for this car (146k).

    Tire Rack have very good reviews for the Michelin Primacy, but you can get them in either an H or V rating, the latter being about $11 more per tire. Both are 60k tires. Any thoughts?

    I drive about 25k per year, ~70% highway. Not an aggressive driver.

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    H Vs. V Rated Tires
    H Vs. V Rated Tires | eHow.com

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    The step from H-rated tires to V-rated is going from quality passenger car tires to performance tires focused on handling. H-rated tires will have rubber compounds and tread designs optimized for all weather performance and long tread life. Performance tires, including many V-rated models, are optimized for dry road traction and handling. A driver who likes to drive aggressively and test the performance levels of his car would be happier with V-rated tires. H-rated tires are suited for a driver looking for long tire life and a comfortable, safe ride.
    I don't think your little zoom zoom mobile needs performance tires.
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    Given you are talking about a stock commuter car, H-tread tires will be fine versus V-tread tires. H-tread tires are rated to 130MPH.

    Also, have you considered looking at a quality S-tread tire, which is a commuter-class tire rated to 112MPH? You might be able to get an otherwise better spec tire for the same money, or a comparable spec tire tire for less money, just with the S-tread tire's lower speed rating.

    BTW, V-tread tires are rated to 149MPH. Above that you get into W and Y treads, which have replaced the old high-performance Z-tread rating.
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    V-Rated tires are silly.

    Dry road performance??? Dude I have to drive in all weather so I think I would error on the side of weather.

    for your daily driving I think considerations of dry performance are handled quite well by V-rated. I guess if you frequently are driving 120 mph then perhaps you might consider the alternative.

    I guess you could also be prepared incase some mutant alien starts chasing you and you need to travel beyond 130 mph to escape, I mean it would really suck having your tire blow out just as you luse the mutant.

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    It can also be a matter of traction and wear instead of absolute speed rating. There are sometimes reasons to run V-tread and higher spec tires, even when cruising commuter-class roads. For example, break traction with basic H-tread or lower rated tires at 75MPH on the highway when downshifting a 500HP sports car to pass another vehicle, and then ya' might be looking for those quality V-tread or higher rated tires.
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    Isn't the V going to be more quite?
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    Thanks, Rob. For the particular model, there is no S version. As far as I can tell, the tread designs are identical. What really stands out in the reviews is the quietness, which is a big factor for me.

    And my days of downshifting at 75 to pass someone have passed me by.

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    I had an '90 Escort GT and they recommended "T" rated tires due to the short wheel base. I was lucky to get 40,000 miles out the "S" rated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sharder8 View Post
    I was lucky to get 40,000 miles out the "S" rated.
    That gets to the UTQG tread wear rating, which is another value independent from speed rating. While higher tread grade tires oftentimes have better tread wear ratings due to utilizing harder compounds, a S-tread can have a higher tread wear rating than a H-tread if the manufacturer wants to do so.

    With that said, the UTQG tread wear rating is admittedly more of a general estimate than a definite specification. The evaluation process (used to?) involve testing the tire on a track for so many thousands of miles. Differences in test vehicles, alignment, driving styles, etc. can influence the ratings, and especially when comparing tires tested by different manufacturers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobRich View Post
    It can also be a matter of traction and wear instead of absolute speed rating. There are sometimes reasons to run V-tread and higher spec tires, even when cruising commuter-class roads. For example, break traction with basic H-tread or lower rated tires at 75MPH on the highway when downshifting a 500HP sports car to pass another vehicle, and then ya' might be looking for those quality V-tread or higher rated tires.
    Although you can find a few examples of possible instants in time when you might want V-rated tires I would have to say for joe blow car nut you aint never gonna need it.

    downshifting your 500 hp sports car to pass someone??? I am sure you can apply enough horse power to make any Pass you want. I mean what speed are you starting this pass 45mph to pass the guy doing 50 in a 55. H rated tires will give you acceleration from 45 to 70 in 2 seconds with out slipping. But now you are excessivly speeding

    Seriously though how much better is the V-rated.

    Do you know how they measure the performance difference between V and H rated tires.

    Dry
    Braking
    Turning

    Wet
    Braking
    Turning.

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    Seriously though how much better is the V-rated.
    Depends upon what type of compound you need for the application, your preferred driving style, etc.

    Do you know how they measure the performance difference between V and H rated tires.
    H and V are speed rate designations, not measures of dry versus wet surface performance. The speed compliance factor is a rating of maximum recommended rolling rate for 30 minutes of sustained driving.

    The additional factors you want to assess fall under UTQG and other specifications. The assumption is a V tread typically performs better in traction and thermal characteristics than a H tread, but the assumption is not a given. The same applies for dry versus wet surface performance. You can buy a V tread optimized for wet surface (all season) applications if so inclined. Again, it is a matter of application. That is why you need to look at more than the speed rating if interested in assessing a tire's overall performance.
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    FWIW... I picked up a set of Kumho Solus KR21 for my wife's Civic from TR.
    Kumho Solus KR21

    They ranked very high on their surveys (3rd ranked Standard All-Season Touring). We've been extremely pleased with them. They were especially quiet when compared to the OEM Firestone that were on the car and traction was night and day different. Paid $50 apiece 2 years ago ($65 currently) and they've shown little wear over the 20K miles they have on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomer View Post
    they've shown little wear over the 20K miles they have on them
    Appears to be inline with UTQG estimates assuming mostly commuter driving, good alignment, and proper inflation. The Kumho Solus KR21 has UTQG treadware ratings between 640 and 680 depending upon size.
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    This is funny. On the Michelin site, if I select Accord 4-cyl, they recommend the H, but for the 6-cyl, they recommend the V.

    Here's the comparison (V vs H):
    load index, 92 vs 94
    UTQG, 620 for both
    traction and temp, A A

    I'm not seeing $50 worth of difference, so think I'll go with the H.

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    The 6 cyl is faster? lol
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    Welcome to the art of upselling, IMO of course.

    I doubt if the ECM speed limiter on an Accord V6 is over 120MPH; if even that high.

    BTW, for whatever it is worth, I am running Michelin H treads on my BMW 750iL (daily driver) with satisfactory results.
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    At legal speeds I don't know that I have ever broken my tires loose from the road on dry pavement??? I can see the softer compound being a little quieter buttttt!


    I think I will stick with a nice all weather H rated cheap tire, My stereo will make up for the extra road noise

    But I will keep the advice in mind if I find myself racing down a mountain pass above the speed limit on nice sunny day and I need to excessivly speed I should probably get V-rated or S-rated tires

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    The cheap stuff doesn't always go as planned, though. I had some Formoza FD-1 14" put on my Integra a couple months back and I regret not only the purchase itself but listening to anything the Les Schwab guy said. They are the loudest tires I've found in any car except for a former co-worker who had a lifted truck with a large off-road set. Even with an obnoxiously loud pre-mod exhaust with enlarged piping, naked 3" intake and no carpeting in the boot on my small car these things buzz like a swarm of angry bees inserted directly into your brain.

    Had I known this before, would have sacrificed part of my savings at another tire place versus dealing with what the place had where my girlfriend has a line of credit.

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