Israel 'would bomb Iran nuclear plant'

ClubMed · August 30th, 2003, 04:24 PM

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Theophylact · August 30th, 2003, 04:55 PM

Well, ClubMed, it wouldn't exactly be new, you know. In 1981 Israel bombed Iraq's Osirak reactor, becasue they figured it was intended to make plutonium for bombs. So you can hardly expect them to turn scrupulous with respect to Iran.

Yeah, Israel's nukes are a dirty little "open secret". But South Africa had them as well, probably with Israel's help, though (they say) they've gotten rid of them. And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Argentina and Brazil had them as well. Japan doesn't have them, but it's got so much plutonium it probably could have them any time it wants. And of course India, Pakistan, China, France, Russia, Britain and the US all are declared members of the club.

Of course it's hypocritical for those who have nukes to complain about other nations getting them. But other things being equal, the fewer nuclear powers the better. Look up references to the "n-Country Problem."

427Windsorman · August 31st, 2003, 12:05 AM

Israel has had to deal with every country in their region wanting to destroy them. If they were not so tough, and determined, they would be gone. Notice that Israel has not used a Nuke, but have had them for years? The same cannot be said of Iran as far as restraint.
America has been isolated from the type of existence Israel has endured. Until 09/11/2001. We got a taste of what Israel endures on a daily basis. We responded by going to war, and attacking terrorists wherever they are. Israel is doing the same thing.

daveleau · August 31st, 2003, 12:33 AM

You have to determine the intent and the 'personality' and history of the nation, CM. Israel is a peaceful nation who defends itself from outside attacks when necessary. (ie the recent peace accord was broken when Hamas bombed Israel. Israel retaliates to apprehend and punish the terrorists and it is game-on again w/ a Hamas-free-for-all. All was quiet until Hamas started murdering again. This is history repeating itself for the umpteen-millionth time.) Iran has been known to support terrorism.

A parallel example:
If Canada developed nukes, nothing would be done. Why? They don't threaten world safety and world peace.

If Syr...(I can't do that to you CM

J/K)...If Yemen (a terror-supporting state) tried to develop nukes, something would have to be done.

427Windsorman · August 31st, 2003, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by daveleau
You have to determine the intent and the 'personality' and history of the nation, CM. Israel is a peaceful nation who defends itself from outside attacks when necessary. (ie the recent peace accord was broken when Hamas bombed Israel. Israel retaliates to apprehend and punish the terrorists and it is game-on again w/ a Hamas-free-for-all. All was quiet until Hamas started murdering again. This is history repeating itself for the umpteen-millionth time.) Iran has been known to support terrorism.

A parallel example:
If Canada developed nukes, nothing would be done. Why? They don't threaten world safety and world peace.

If Syr...(I can't do that to you CM J/K)...If Yemen (a terror-supporting state) tried to develop nukes, something would have to be done.

Good post.

Chuckiechan · August 31st, 2003, 01:52 AM

Interesting that the Isralie politicians wouldn't sell their country down the river for votes in the next election. We could learn a lot from them.

I think Israel will attack Iran and should be applauded for taking action instead of waiting for some moron mullah to push the button, yelling "death to infidels!"

ShawnD1 · August 31st, 2003, 02:16 AM

Iran developing a nuclear power plant is more than just a LITTLE suspicious. Iran has tons of oil.... way more than enough to generate the power to run the entire country 100x over yet they want a nuclear plant?? wtf??? Suspicious? I think so.

ClubMed · August 31st, 2003, 11:42 AM

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Toadman · August 31st, 2003, 01:06 PM

CM, do you think these "religious fanatics" in Israel would launch a pre-emptive unprovoked nuclear strike against any Middle Eastern nation? They surely could remove the threat to their existence, being surrounded on all sides by nations wishing they were gone.

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The day Israel ceases to be an apartheid state, basing it’s existence in religious fanaticism is the day I will give more weight to the claim that Israel is a ‘victim’ that has to defend itself at all costs.

Wow, Judaism is a fanatical religion?
An apartheid state? Do you mean they should be a Muslim nation like the others? Sound like intolerance at minimum and continued hatred of the Jews at max.

Chuckiechan · August 31st, 2003, 01:31 PM

I agree sort of.

If I was a Hamas member, dedicated to the destruction of Israel, I may feel Israel is a terrorist because they are still there. They just won't lay down and die!

You probably agree that North Korea has the right to be free from the "terrorist attitudes of the United States", and build and sell whatever it wants to sell.

ClubMed, you illustrate the flawed thinking recently labeled as "moral equlivance" since you see no moral difference between good and evil, since "evil" is a value judgement. Therefore, since the USA has nukes, it's ok for their enemies to have them too. Following that logic, since we killed Saddam's troops, it's OK for him to kill ours.

You must take a stand. You are either for evil or against it. If your evil is Israel, join Hamas and be counted. Don't sit on the fence spitting mental silly putty to those who are actually threatened.