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October 22nd, 2003, 11:53 AM
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| | MR Meek and Mild
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Question about school scholarships???
Some people get Full Scholarships for being athletic; some get them for being good students. Some get them for being hard up.
My question is, how much of schools costs are tied up in sports programs, Scholarships and the likes? What is the actual cost per student?
Secondly, what could possibly cost 120,000 about a college education? Does anyone actually monitor the books or is this a free for all of nepotism and corruption.
The math just does not seem to add up with reasonable.
A class of 10 students would generate 1.2 million dollars. Materials and such would not appear to be that high in most of your core classes (English, math, social studies, psychology) Perhaps some of the sciences and engineering courses might cost a bit more buttttt, I can’t see those costs being eaten up by normal means. Are the professors making that much money? Mind you that classes are typically over 10 students per professor as well so we are really talking some bucks.
From you college educated folks out there do you actually feel as if the price you paid for college reflected the costs of providing the education. |
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October 22nd, 2003, 12:07 PM
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| | Fossil
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: inside the Beltway
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Well, at a place like Harvard, tuition covers about a quarter of the costs of running the place. Most of the rest comes from the college's endowment (very considerable, for Harvard), from government research grants and contracts, from cooperative agreements with industries, and so on.
State universities generally charge less for tuition than private ones, but (with the striking exception of Texas) usually have far smaller endowments to draw on. They depend on annual appropriations from the state legislatures, which in hard times get really stingy.
It's hard to increase productivity in certain kinds of jobs; you can automate much of manufacturing, but although computers, video and advanced diagnostic machinery are important aids, it still takes a lot of one-on-one personal time for a doctor, lawyer, nurse or teacher. That's one reason why, although the overall inflation rate is very low, it remains high in the areas of medicine, law and education. |
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October 22nd, 2003, 12:14 PM
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| | I am a banana!
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yeah...here at Texas Tech student tuition only covers about 10% the school's income, everything else comes from the state or endowments.
What really costs a lot are upkeep and such...repair of buildings, groundskeeping, funding for new buildings, etc.
Also student organizations take a lot as well (i mean like IEEE, SGA, etc not frat's and such).
And in general salaries for everyone. profs only make up a small fraction of the number of people required to staff a university.
and of course, as you mentioned, sciences and engineering use an INSANE amount of money.
As for sports, they don't take as much as you'd think (although they still take a lot) because a lot of their funding comes from donations and endowments. |
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October 22nd, 2003, 12:19 PM
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| | MR Meek and Mild
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What is the ratio of student to teachers? You speak of one on one time but, if I am not mistaking the average student does not put in an eight hour day at school on average Lots of study time and homework but by no means a full schedule of running from class to class.
If I am right we are talking about on the order of 100 to 1 ratio of students to professors in most schools. That would mean that the average professor brings in multiple millions per year for the school.
Where do those funds go. Students buy most of the text books, computer labs and networks cost allot but last several years.
I can't see chemicals costing that much for chem 101.
Plus for specialty studies there are grants and investments of private corporations.
medical one on one time might explain the cost of medical school but even so there is the factor that not all that one on one time is the high priced professors 1 on one time.
Somewhere there would appear to be a cost I am not seeing. |
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October 22nd, 2003, 12:55 PM
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| | Ultimate Member
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At my Canadian university, tuition covers 48% of all universities operations, however, there is, on average, one professor to 20 students in each class.
Additionally, Canadian universities, or Ontario based universities at least, are prevented from handing out full scholarships for athletic talent. They can only dole out scholarships for financial need and academic achievement.
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October 22nd, 2003, 01:08 PM
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| | MR Meek and Mild
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That ratio of one professor to 20 students in each class, is that based upon enrollment or just simple classroom size.
In otherwords what is the enrolled number of students versus what is the total number of professors? That is the ratio I seek because most students do not have a 5 day a week 8 hours a day schedule under professors. As such the professor to student ration may be much higher.
What is the un-aided cost of your education and your major. |
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October 22nd, 2003, 01:33 PM
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| | Member
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Texas A&M at cc i read recently the tuition covers 15%. The university says it's hurting financially. They do have a large campus staff though, security/office people/secretaries/janitors/groundskeepers... et cetera... and universities are alot like Unions, theres one guy working and ten watching
I'm not sure what the sports programs cost, but I know I hate the fact that every student gets charged a sports fee... If that's the case then every student should also get charged an arts materials fee, med lab fee (you get my point)... I also hate the way labs have become attachments to almost every math and science class there is, every lab i've had to take has been a complete waste of time... but they still get that fee from you.. I took an astronomy class once and they charged a fee for using the telescopes, but we never got to use the telescopes because the class and lab were during the day????
also you asked about scolarships, if some of the money i pay goes towards a students scolarship who is wicked smart and has earned it, i have no problem (i'm not sure if it does though), but a scholarship for sports irritates the hell out of me... |
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October 22nd, 2003, 04:41 PM
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| | Ultimate Member
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No, I don't feel the amount of money I paid for college equals where I am now. Paying $30,000 for 2 years of schooling is a bit out there to me. Especially since it's a COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
But I'm not bitter about it.
Sean
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October 22nd, 2003, 05:01 PM
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| | A hero in training
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| Quote: Originally posted by SeanC No, I don't feel the amount of money I paid for college equals where I am now. Paying $30,000 for 2 years of schooling is a bit out there to me. Especially since it's a COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
But I'm not bitter about it.
Sean |
$30,000 for community college?!  |
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October 22nd, 2003, 05:06 PM
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| | Misanthropic
Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Bay Area, California
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Right now I pay about $18 per unit (credit).  As fast as California is going down hill, it won't be long until it's $25+.  |
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