BUSH's Policies Begin To Bear Fruit.

[wallie_x]

BAD NEWS for Dem Presidential Hopefuls

If he gets Iraq under control they're all toast.
HERE!

[John Prophet]

prolly toast next go round, but Im pretty sure 2008= Hillary.

[shahani]

Big IF there.

[RayH]

I am among the majority of Americans who did not vote for Bush. Most people forget that he lost the popular vote and won the electorial vote!

[Creatures]

BAD NEWS for Dem Presidential Hopefuls

and another 4 years with a not-that-nice-and-very-stupid president

Creatures

[Mike]

Originally posted by Creatures

and another 4 years with a not-that-nice-and-very-stupid president

Creatures

Americans are worried, can't imagine what you guys are thinking.

[TOAD6147]

On one of the network news reports the other day/night they said the economy had grown more in a certain time (month/quater/?) period more than it had in 20 years. HOWEVER,........job growth is still lacking and they said 128,000 jobs would have to be added to the market every week for like a year or two to turn it around. And then there's the deficit... And, BTW, how is it that Bush gets credit for a positive shift in the economy and Clinton gets dissed because he didn't help create the positive economy during his term. Noecon reasoning again, eh? And as much as I'd like to see things shift for the best in Iraq, I don't see it happening with Gdubya in office. And as I posted yesterday, there is a resurgance of the Taliban in Afganistan and George's problems haven't even started yet.

[brandon184]

If he gets Iraq under control they're all toast.

If I were to grow wings, I could learn to fly.

The operative word in both the quoted statement, and the statement made by myself is "IF"..

[ClubMed]

IMO if Bush has any kind of success then it is going to be temporary, he is not thinking ahead it seems in any of his policies whether they are domestic of foreign.

The economy might be enjoying a positive plateau at the moment, but the fact is that you have a massive national dept that is continuing to grow, there are grave employment problems and there have been increased cut backs in social service and education spending while the defence sector has received massive amounts of money, if this is not a problem right now, it will be for future generations and administrations.

Concerning his foreign policies, there is going to be increased violence towards American assets in the future. He will be leaving future Americans a legacy of blood and destruction, increased foreign threats while at the same time loosing global support in nearly all fields; environment, defence, economy.

You will end up with isolation during a period of time when threats are at an increase.

The fruit will not be enjoyable.

[MTAtech]

Unfortunately, Iraq is not turning around. Still, first-time claims for state unemployment benefits are 351,000 in the week ended Nov. 22 (down 11,000). The medicare bill will backfire as seniors realize how their benefits were cut.

If he gets Iraq under control they're all toast.

And if my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather.

Worse than how GWB has polarized the country is how he has even polarized Congress. For a man who said he will bring us all together we have never been so apart. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Nov25.html
"The Republicans had better hope that the Democrats never regain the majority," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said the day after the House Medicare vote.

[shahani]

Heheeheeee .. he's even polarized TechIMO as far as I can see.

[Pexster]

I fear ClubMed is right. We went from having one of the most respected presidents in history (from a world-wide perspective) to one of the most reviled (from the same world-wide perspective). The only saving grace is that we may be forgiven our current mistake once we vote him out of office. One can only hope!

And that "reach across the aisle" garbage he spouted in 2000? I think he forgot about it on the morning of January 20, 2001, because it was NEVER evidenced.

[MTAtech]

Pexster, you are right. After WWII, the U.S. was the most respected nation in the world. Emerging nations were fashioned their constitutions after our. They all wanted to emulate the U.S.

Look also at the presidents that we elected, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy. These men were all people of intellect, education and wisdom. Speaking for myself, I looked up to them as people who I could respect on many levels.

Compare these to Bush II. (Or even compare him to Clinton, who was hated by the right.) How can anyone have respect for Bush at any level? I don't respect his intellect - I am sure I could out debate him. Nor, do I respect his education which represents someone who casually glided through school.

[wallie_x]

ThE BiG Difference?
Clinton surrounded himself with a bunch of politically correct clones for a cabinet.
GWB chose people with some real brains.

[Mike]

Originally posted by wallie_x
ThE BiG Difference?
Clinton surrounded himself with a bunch of politically correct clones for a cabinet.
GWB chose people with some real brains.

He chose people with real brains, eh?
Perhaps you have to give us a list of the people with "real brains."

[Crix]

the michalin man
the pillsbury doughboy
and a normal pretzel (but we know what happened with him)

thats the REAL brains behind dubya~~

[MTAtech]

The statement, "Clinton surrounded himself with a bunch of politically correct clones for a cabinet," is one of the most uninformed statements I have heard in this forum. William Cohen is a Republican and was vocal against Clinton's policies. On the contrary, I don't see any Democrats in the Bush cabinet nor anyone that doesn't agree with his philosophy.

Clinton's Cabinet

Madeleine K. Albright
"The first woman secretary of State and the highest-ranking woman in the federal government to date, Madeleine Albright brought a fresh, outspoken approach to foreign policy in the second Clinton Cabinet. Albright has been the administration's bridge-builder with the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, conservative North Carolina Sen. Jesse Helms. Personally, Albright's appointment led to discoveries about her family's heritage and to revelations about the deaths of more than a dozen Jewish relatives in the Holocaust."

Lawrence Summers
"President Clinton announced May 12 that Lawrence Summers would be nominated to succeed Robert Rubin as Treasury Secretary, giving the 44-year-old ex-Harvard University economist a job he had long wanted, in the midst of a vibrant economy. Summers had established himself as the intellectual powerhouse of the Clinton administration's economic team by the time he came to the position."

William S. Cohen
"President Clinton fulfilled his wish for a bipartisan Cabinet by appointing Republican William S. Cohen to head the Pentagon. The former senator from Maine is anything but a yes-man. In Congress, he demonstrated an independent streak, criticizing some of the administration's defense policies, including the presence of U.S. troops in Bosnia. But he also criticized pet GOP defense projects, including the B-2 stealth bomber. As secretary, Cohen's most critical challenges include reconfiguring the post-Cold War military and responding to the sexual harassment and assault charges that have plagued the armed services."


Janet Reno
Previous occupation: State attorney for Dade County, Fla., 1978-93; partner in a Miami law firm, 1976-78; assistant state attorney (Florida), 1973-76; counsel for the state Senate committee revising the Florida Criminal Code, 1973; candidate for the Florida state legislature (defeated), 1972; staff director of the Judiciary Committee of the Florida House of Representatives, 1971.

Education: Cornell University (chemistry), Harvard Law School, 1963 (L.L.B.).

For the remander of the Clinton cabinet, go

here.

Bush's Cabinet

Colin Powell
Gen. Powell's military service is well known. However, "As a civilian, Colin Powell served on two corporate boards: Gulfstream Aerospace and America Online. Gulfstream Aerospace makes specialty jets for Hollywood movie stars and for foreign governments, like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia—two countries Powell got to know well in his role as chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Gulf War. The company was bought out by defense contractor General Dynamics in 1999. The former general also earned a nice windfall when AOL finally merged with Time Warner earlier this year. His stock in the company reportedly increased in value by $4 million. Powell’s son, Michael, was the only commissioner at the Federal Communications Commission who advocated letting the AOL-Time Warner deal go through without scrutiny. Michael Powell is now chairman of the FCC. "


Paul O'Neill
Corporate Connections:
Alcoa; International Paper; Lucent Technologies; Eastman Kodak

"As CEO and chairman of Alcoa, the world’s largest aluminum manufacturer, Paul O’Neill decided to dissolve his company’s PAC in 1996. "What’s going on with campaign financing has reached well beyond a reasonable limit," he told Fortune magazine. "Some people said we’d have a problem with access [to elected officials]. That hasn’t been the case." That’s probably because Alcoa relies on Vinson & Elkins, a Texas-based law firm, to lobby the government on its behalf. While Bush was still governor of Texas, Vinson & Elkins got a loophole in the state’s environmental regulations that will allow Alcoa to continue emitting 60,000 tons of sulfur dioxide annually into the air, solidifying Alcoa’s position as one of Texas’ top polluters. Vinson & Elkins was George Bush’s No. 3 campaign contributor, giving him more than $200,000. Before joining Alcoa, O’Neill was the president of International Paper. He has also served on the boards of Lucent Technologies and Eastman Kodak."

The current Sec of Treasury is John Snow


Donald Rumsfeld
"Corporate Connections:
G.D. Searle/Pharmacia; General Instrument/Motorola; Gulfstream Aerospace; General Dynamics; Tribune Company; Gilead Sciences; Amylin Pharmaceuticals; Sears, Roebuck & Co.; Allstate; Kellogg; Asea Brown Boveri

Donald Rumsfeld has been a busy man. After serving as Gerald Ford’s defense secretary in 1977, he joined the private sector as the CEO of G.D. Searle, a pharmaceutical company that’s now a subsidiary of Pharmacia. He was also the CEO of General Instrument, a telecommunications parts supplier that was eventually bought out by Motorola. Lately, though, Rumsfeld has spent his time serving on the boards of several companies: Gilead Sciences, a fledgling biotech company; newspaper giant Tribune Company, which owns the Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune; Amylin Pharmaceuticals; Swiss firm Asea Borwn Boveri; and Fortune 500 behemoths, including Kellogg, Sears and Allstate. As a director for Gulfstream Aerospace, his stock in the company reportedly was valued at $11 million when the company was acquired by defense contractor General Dynamics in 1999."

Although strongly anti-Saddam this year, he was historically pro-Saddam in the Reagan/Bush years. "Among the people instrumental in tilting U.S. policy toward Baghdad during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war was Donald H. Rumsfeld, now defense secretary, whose December 1983 meeting with Hussein as a special presidential envoy paved the way for normalization of U.S.-Iraqi relations. Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions." http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true


John Ashcroft

"A former governor and attorney general, Ashcroft doesn't drink, smoke or dance. He opposes most abortions, supported a Missouri initiative to allow people to carry concealed weapons and backs the death penalty. When he was sworn in as governor and senator, the deeply religious Ashcroft asked for ritual anointings with oil before his inaugurations. "


For the remander of Bush's cabinet, go here.

[TOAD6147]

The facts, not retoric, Wallie, obviously speak for themselves. Thanks, MATech, for setting the record straight.

[shahani]

Colin Powell is perhaps the only real "brain". And Condaleeza Rice.

Others, including Ashcroft, Cheney and Rumsfeld are either just plain right wing extermists, corporate crooks or extremely lucky.

As for Bush, what can I say?

[RayH]

THERE'S LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!!!

Are we even in a tunnel? Are you sure we're not in a cave? Wait until the bill for the deficient comes due!