School vouchers. only good for the Rich?

**Epidemic** · January 19th, 2004, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by RayH
When private schools have to provide the array of services and take all comers on the same basis as public schools, then talk about vouchers.

Public education is what the state provides. If people want private, pay for it themselves. Public transportation is what the government provides. If you want private, you buy your own.

Understand that I know that in California private schools can set their own circuluum and standards of education. They don't have to meet any standards the state sets for public education!

Public schools is what the state provides with my tax dollars and it is pityful. However since my property tax is spent on these institutions I can not afford to send my kid to private school.

They have taken my ability to provide an education for my kids by allowing disruptive kids, bad administration, many poor teachers continue working destroying the middle and poor classes children.

If that is how you like to see your tax dollars spent you keep your voucher and keep you kid in the one or two remaining classrooms at your public school. Me I am more interested in my children receiving a good education than supporting a broken system.

**whitebeard21** · January 19th, 2004, 04:17 PM

So you admit it is all about religion.
"If you feel you little athiest kid would not do well at a catholic school you need to find a secular school."
Epidemic

**Epidemic** · January 19th, 2004, 04:26 PM

whitebeard21 they have drugs that can help with the memory problems

Yea I admitt that a catholic school is ummm religious in nature.

What is your point. the government is giving you a voucher through an entitlement. would you deny an old woman who gets SSI the ability to put something on the collection plate or buying a bible?

There is a difference between government setting up catholic schools and umm parents deciding to send their kids to a catholic school. Government is not endorsing the rightness or wrongness of it.

BTW I am an athiest or an agnostic at best. But I see no problem with a parent choosing to send their kid to a catholic school with a voucher.

This is not the same as a public school teacher standing in front of the class and telling your little athiest kid who is a captive audience, that god does not love gays and that they are an abomination.

**originel** · January 19th, 2004, 05:21 PM

However since my property tax is spent on these institutions I can not afford to send my kid to private school.

i don't see the logic behind this. keep in mind that when you pay your property tax, you are not funding an entire student, you are funding maybe 1/4 of a student because not everyone who pays property tax has a child in school. I'm not sure how it works where you live, but does all of your property tax go to public schools? and how much do you pay a year in property taxes anyways?

But I see no problem with a parent choosing to send their kid to a catholic school with a voucher.

agreed...another way to think about this is, all things being equal in money, this person would send their child to a private religeous school anyways, so what difference does it make? this in no way encourages people to attend religeous institutions over secular ones.

**Epidemic** · January 19th, 2004, 05:43 PM

Well something on the order of 50% to 75% of my property taxes go to the schools.

Well for ease of calculation I will use my NY taxes as an indicator since my NC taxes do not make my point.

7,000 dollars a year tax
4002 dollars a year of that to the schools. 58%
48 years in my house assuming age 20 purchase
192,000 dollars.

I payed for my kids school let me spend my 192,000 bucks at good schools not just light my money on fire and give my kids a substandard education.

Not quite the value of sending 2.3 children through school. But school money is an entitlement. I just would like to see the parents given the power to educate their kids versus what is happening now.

Done on a per student basis even the little trouble makers could be sent to their little troublemaker schools. Where a guard beats them back into submission. That way these troubled youths do not interfere with the majority of students who run the straight and narrow.

**whitebeard21** · January 19th, 2004, 06:54 PM

"This is not the same as a public school teacher standing in front of the class and telling your little athiest kid who is a captive audience, that god does not love gays and that they are an abomination." Epidemic
This is against the law until Ashcroft takes over completely then it will be the law of the land.

**RayH** · January 19th, 2004, 07:39 PM

Society as a whole benefits from an educated population. Whether or not you have a kid in school now or ever, you benefit from that children being publicly educated.

You think you will benefit more by shutting schools down?

**Epidemic** · January 22nd, 2004, 05:20 PM

Not shutting them down Ray. Schools which accomplish the task of educating their kids should and would remain. but the ones that fail year in and year out need to be shut down. These schools do not fail kids because of funding. They fail them because they keep bad teachers, and squander funds on new books from some brother in laws company.

Again lets compare an efficient system. Private schools, for the same money and in many cases less provide an education which is superior to public schools.

Some Major Differences include, government operates public schools, Public schools are funded more on average.

So what do you think, do schools need more funding or is there something sick in the system sucking up resources.

BTW Let us not forget that not only are most private schools funded less than the public schools, and not only that they provide a better education, But more importantly they turn a profit. In essence saying that if done in a public venue there should even be less funding than a private school.

6,300 dollars per year per student national average. Even if the national average on private schools was 6,300 some percentage of that money would be profit. So 6200, 6100 or less. My thoughts is that they would be shooting for 10 % profit at least. That would put them providing a better education for a cost of about 5700 bucks.

public schools are underfunded my aunt fanny.

I would even give public schools some credit if they did a little research into the methods employed by private schools to get their public school system under control

**whitebeard21** · January 22nd, 2004, 05:33 PM

parochial schools are subsidised by the church. They are not entirely dependant on tuition. If you are not a member of the church you pay more than members do. Both of my boys attended a parochial school, one graduated the other transfered in grade school because he didn't like the school. One of them was a non catholic alterboy.

you are understating the cost of private schools by 1/2. Do a google search for tuition private school (your home town)

**Epidemic** · January 22nd, 2004, 05:53 PM

The one non religious one out here in the sticks with in reasonable distance Is chiming in at 7,000 bucks each year k- 12. Knock off the 10% puts me at 6300 bucks. If not cheaper than the virginia school system it is at least dang close. While still sporting smaller class sizes and higher achievement levels.