Real video of a non-typical traffic stop

**Zitch** · January 19th, 2004, 12:11 AM

Warning: it's a 12 minute streaming real video. All cursing is bleeped. The video is fairly poor, and the audio is a bit scratchy, but you should be able to see what happens pretty well enough.
http://ada.oklahoman.net/ramgen/real...er_shooting.rm

From what I understand, the cop wasn't fired or punished in any way other than "reassigned".

here's a follow-up article: http://archives.oklahoman.com/cgi-bi...IN_1346839.txt

My comments: I do not have any problems with law enforcement in general. For the most part, I highly respect them. Unfortunately, any system has their bad apples. I'm not fully aware of the situation, but that video is pretty damning!

Yeah, the 21 year old kid should have followed directions much better, on the other hand, he really sounded spooked. Of course, with her attitude, I don't blame him.

I think she should have called for backup before it got to the point of her shooting him in the back!

Supposedly, he was going back to the truck to find his insurace papers. That is the wrong thing to do! She can't assume that he didn't have a gun in the truck. But he was un-armed and a good 3-4 strides from the door of his truck when she shot him.

What really disgusted me about the whole thing was her attitude though-out the event more than her shooting him in the back. Cursing up a storm, then turning around and telling him to watch his language. She was definitely on a power trip.

What are your comments?

**NeoStarO1** · January 19th, 2004, 12:20 AM

First linkage not working right.

**Gomer** · January 19th, 2004, 12:29 AM

I'd side w/ the youth on this one.

he did not act exactly as he should have... however... her actions from the very start were atrocious.

I do not know the nature of his injuries... but if he is disabled as a result of being shot, fair compensation would be justified.

Regardless, the officer should lose her job.

link worked fine for me BTW.

**NeoStarO1** · January 19th, 2004, 12:32 AM

i keep getting a requested file could not be found, the link you followed may be outdated or inaccurate.

**GroundZero3** · January 19th, 2004, 12:46 AM

neo do you have real player installed?

the first thing that bothered me is her cussing while shes trying to pull him over. i understand hes wasnt doing it but listening to her starting off gave me a bad feeling.

second if she felt so threaten i didnt not once hear her call for back up.

and it took her about 6 and a half minutes to finally put him in he back of the car if she felt so threaten. She kepted asking him if he was under the influence and finally about 8 minutes she finally start testing him.

also about 10 minutes she tell him to watch is language but i counted over 6 times with her using foul language. very unprofessional IMHO

11 minutes she starts to threat him to shoot him, this is where mace and the night stick come in to play. YOU DO NOT THREATEN SOMEONE LIKE THAT. and still she did not call for back up that i could hear.

she shot and didnt even call for help until 12:41 seconds

**jordanabc2332** · January 19th, 2004, 12:51 AM

The language was uncalled for. However, I dont think what she did was outrageous. The guy cant just walk away from an officer when being told certain directions. Did the officer get in trouble for this incident?

**Gomer** · January 19th, 2004, 12:54 AM

jordan:

The guy cant just walk away from an officer when being told certain directions.

right... they have laws against that and charges she could have filed.

**brandon184** · January 19th, 2004, 01:03 AM

Disturbing...

Although - What was his huge beef with following directions? I would have done pretty much anything just to get her to shut her face.

**NeoStarO1** · January 19th, 2004, 01:17 AM

GZ3 yes i do have RP installed.
Rather than a RP link can someone also post a link to the site where the movie is at and maybe i can access it via that way instead of it auto turning on my real player without option to save as. doesn't give me that option just goes there rather than asking me if i want to download it.

**Mortis** · January 19th, 2004, 01:35 AM

Ouch... I would have been scared being either person. Tough call. I dont envy the police officer her job, but she did seem to be tripping and unpredictable (not consistent with her attitude or authority, poor training possibly?). But, drunk or sober, he did not listen and placed himself and her in an unsure situation that neither reacted well to. Tough call! Not a position I would like to find myself in...

I echo some of GZ's inquiries about other methods of non-lethal interaction (pepper spray, baton, etc) as well as her lack of requesting backup. As soon as she felt the situation was escalating (or herself), possibly she should have requested backup. I dont know... so many unknown variables when ya are alone and dealing with a situation, a potentially deadly situation. Training... more training, maybe, hehe. Scarey.

**Zitch** · January 19th, 2004, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Mortis
Ouch... I would have been scared being either person. Tough call. I dont envy the police officer her job, but she did seem to be tripping and unpredictable (not consistent with her attitude or authority, poor training possibly?). But, drunk or sober, he did not listen and placed himself and her in an unsure situation that neither reacted well to. Tough call! Not a position I would like to find myself in...

I strongly agree with these sentiments. I kindof fall on the youth's side, but the officer was only 24 herself (according to the article link). She might have been having a really bad day, but wow... Also, the kid might have not been stoned or drunk; I know that if I was perfectly sober in the situation he was in, I'd be pretty damn nervous myself.

NeoStar: I couldn't find any where else that linked to this. These are the only links that were provided, and I didn't find any other links to them on the site. Others and I are able to view it by just clicking on it. You may want to check your real player settings, and possibly reinstall it.

**Mike** · January 19th, 2004, 02:05 AM

I think that a person suspected of drinking should be forced to take a breathalizer test. I have seen people 100% sober that can't walk in a straight line, toe-to-toe, in 9 steps or less. (Even harder when you have a cop that is screaming at you).

Anytime I have to talk with the police (even when they are walking around), I honestly cringe when I see that it's a lady, I really don't know why.

Perhaps it's the fact that they have a horrible attitude (around here at least) and it really hurts my ears if they begin to scream?

When he neglected to pull over and she started yelling at him, I can honestly understand why that may have upset her. Of course when she starts screaming, I probably would have flicked her off.

WTF does she expect after she shoots him? If a cop shot me (what looks like for no reason), I wouldn't want to hang around.

Hopefully the rest of the story comes out, and perhaps that cop will be having a nice lawsuit placed against her?

**thekingofpain** · January 19th, 2004, 02:07 AM

Im with Neo(star01) it wont work for me for some reason either---new RealPlayer that has worked prior...

**Aaron_J** · January 19th, 2004, 03:21 AM

Hopefully the rest of the story comes out, and perhaps that cop will be having a nice lawsuit placed against her?

This happened around June of last year. The cop was put back on duty.

**ILC** · January 19th, 2004, 04:38 AM

Alright, there is something really strange about that video. The first thing I noticed was that there was virtually no sound what so ever when she supposedly shot the guy even though she was standing right next to the camera. Second, there is no way the kid would be moving/struggling after being shot in the back at that close of a range from anything police issue. Third, there wasn’t a visible impact wound. These are just a few things I noticed immediately.

What kind of reputation is the Oklahoman? This video seems a little phony to me. Are we sure he wasn’t “shot” with those stun guns they have now?

I am not buying this tonight but will re-look tomorrow.

ILC

**brandon184** · January 19th, 2004, 05:29 AM

I heard the gun-shot. You're not going to hear a huge "BOOM" over the audio. It happens too fast, too loud for the audio to pick it up correctly.

I'd say that the fact that she says, "I'll shootcha 'gain!" about 8 times indicates that it actually did happen.

As far as no visible wound... I don't know what sort of resolution you had when streaming the video, but mine was pathetic. I couldn't even make out significant details of their faces and bodies, let alone impact wounds.

As far as moving/struggling goes.. I didn't see any of that. He was barely sitting up after he hit the ground and was basically pushed/dragged out of camera view after that

**ILC** · January 19th, 2004, 03:00 PM

I don’t know Brandon, today I sometimes hear what maybe could be a gunshot but I think the camera would pick up more of the sound. After watching the video again this morning, I see that you are right about the clarity and not being able to determine an impact wound. However, there is still no way he would be squirming as much as he does after being shot unless she almost missed and scratched him.

I could be completely wrong, but I am still thinking hoax.

ILC

**Epidemic** · January 19th, 2004, 03:26 PM

Someone said this was scary.

I don't know, to me scary is something unseen that can not be avoided or can be easily overlooked.

A cop barking instruction at you in a foreign language would be scary if I was incapable of understanding directions and things seemed to be escallating.

But assuming a few things like (suspect understanding directions).

This situation could have been avoided by simple following of instructions. It may hurt my pride but I certainly will not give a person a hard time when they have a gun in my face. that kind of foolishness needs to stop. AFAIAC someone in that situation who does not respond, immediatly is considered unpredictable in my book. As such their situation becomes more perrilous

I could not play video but:

Gunshot sound is not impressive on tape.

and many people squirm, resist or even escape with bullets in them. You can quite easily move unless something like the heart or spine are hit.

Guns do not work like in the movies. YOu often do not drop unless you want to due to your perception of pain..