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November 21st, 2005, 08:04 AM #41Originally Posted by Bizkitkid2001
I would switch but there's a serious lack of an office package. Open Office is not compatible with Microsoft Excel. The graphs show up as white spaces with no plotted points, no trendline, no formula for that trendline, and no R^2 value for that trendline. Very effective way to turn a computer into an expensive paper weight.
Originally Posted by CMonster
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November 21st, 2005, 08:36 AM #42
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I found that to be a big problem when I started with Linux. I knew I wanted to do something but had no idea on where to start looking for the command. Someone finally showed me the -k option for man. With it you can search man pages which makes everything so much easier.
I was going to put bf2 in linux but I found out that transgaming doesn't have punkbuster support yet. Which means to play online I would have to play on one of the 3 servers that are unranked and don't have punkbuster. Pretty pointless.
Something needs to be done to get gamemakers to create linux versions of games. Using transgaming just isn't going to cut it.
November 21st, 2005, 09:10 AM #43Originally Posted by fourthbean
Doom3, Quake series, and Unreal 2k4 are just some of the titles that have native linux versions. I do wish that more companies made linux games. I have sent some emails around to some game developers in hopes of them realizing the potential market of *nix users.-Space
November 21st, 2005, 12:11 PM #44
Windows is fine - I like Windows (just not on my machines). My son says: "Windows is job security." I say, Hey... if you are a mechanic you don't want to see cars that never break down. The only thing I wish is that users of MS Windows and MS Office would do so according to the license agreement and be sure to pay for it -- it seems every other person I see singing the praises of Microsoft is winking, waving a corporate version of XP, cracked game CDs, and a burned copy of Photoshop -- sorry to rant, and I have to admit that I was guilty early on, but I have long since cleaned up my act and the rampant hypocrisy really bugs me... pay for what you got and then get back to me on what a great deal it is.
No offense intended at those honest individuals out there who actually pay for their proprietary software - you are to be commended.
Linux networking: Other than a poorly supported (or unsupported) network device, the problems people typically encounter are configuration and a lack of basic networking knowledge. Yep MS Windows is easier... like being spoon fed in this regard.
Office: OpenOffice.org is awesome - yes there are some probelms when you save certain items in MS office format - but this problem is averted if OO.o is also in the other ocmputers and you use native formats... However, MS Office will in fact run on Linux - but it costs a little for crossover, but this is likely a third or less than the legitimate cost of the MS Windows version that is 50% likely pirated on the machine in question anyway. Now if OO.o turns a computer into a paperweight then I guess not much was being done with that machine anyway. My kid's small private school saved an estimated $7,000 just at one location by switching to OO.o on those expensive paperweights (including the ones in the lab), averaged at $150 a seat.
BTW - Please submit bug reports about OpenOffice.org BE PART OF THE SOLUTION
oh and here is a great forum to ask Linux questions where people are friendly and try their best to provide help - I haven't seen anyone answering "RTFM" there -lol
Last edited by CMonster; November 21st, 2005 at 01:02 PM.
November 21st, 2005, 12:41 PM #45
Amazing. What a really interesting read this thread. Keep it going guys.IT Noob
November 21st, 2005, 03:06 PM #46
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Space squad, thanks for mentioning those games. I should have been less all inclusive in my remark. To rephrase, I hope that more game companys realize the marked they will have by supporting linux and help us out.
November 21st, 2005, 05:14 PM #47Originally Posted by CMonster"I'm hung like a horse and will kill you for no reason."
November 21st, 2005, 05:53 PM #48Originally Posted by GroundZero3
BELEIVE me, if I could play Fable and Sacred on one of my Linux computers as well as my Windows unit does,(if at all!), I'd never use Windows again.Check out my music:
System error 99909: Bang head on keyboard to continue
November 21st, 2005, 07:28 PM #49Originally Posted by athlonxpguy
I guess really I've got a questions for you: Have you ever administered a network with an Xserve G5 running OS X server? I'm guessing no based on your un-informed remarks. Remember that knowledge of the open-source technology that Apple uses does not mean you know how OS X works, because Apple modifies (often heavily) the open source software before they integrate it with OS X.
Last edited by originel; November 21st, 2005 at 07:35 PM.
November 21st, 2005, 09:47 PM #50
For the average Joe windows is their best option, it easy to use, they can navigate trought it with out much hasle. due that it does half off the work....
Most off the commercial software and games are written for Windows that makes the market share tend to it, I dont say windows is bad, I use at work Windows on our worksation that involves using a cad software, Illustrator and Corel draw, those applications are only on Windows.
on other hand they easily screw up the machine with lots off spyware, trojans, virus and whatever you can caught in the web, for people like myself that repair installations without resorting to the typical reformat its a pretty nice market..
I have been using linux for a couple off years to experiment mainly on a dual boot machine.
Why I use linux, right now I made a file server for my small company with network shares, that host different files.. due the TCP IP restriction I cannot have more than 10 active connections on a single box in windows, you need to buy Windows Server with X number off clients and that quite expensive.... Linux was my solution, I could use a old P3 that I had and tis working as a server for files, hosting an internal webpage, a teamspeak server and lately its hosting CS Source matches... and that machine havent rebooted for about 5 weeks and still runs like a champ even when it has high load on it.
Open Office works great, I havent got on any problems yet, new users in the cafe like it pretty much, some still use MS office but most dont notice the change.
Linux is not easy, you have to read pretty carefully man pages and take some time on forums to find you want to do, but overall its rewarding not depending on point and click.. and do it in the console in a few seconds instead off navigating wizards....someone is more skilled than you!
November 21st, 2005, 10:29 PM #51
Actually, I would say OS X is the best OS for the average joe. very easy to use...even easier than windows. Most mainstream joe blow software is available for mac too (Msn messenger, MS office), and with the mac mini...it brings on new levels of affordability. You also get a virus-free (mostly) computer.-Space
November 22nd, 2005, 12:33 AM #52
I ahve not swithed fully over to linux yet because of some compatibility issues . . . I need a few apps that wine can't run.
November 22nd, 2005, 12:44 AM #53Originally Posted by Hakamov
MS Office 2003 (expensive yes but not crappy).
Exchange 2003 (best mail software ever).
SQL 2000 (have been running it for years).
ISA 2004 (proxy/firewall)..
MS Antispyware (beta)
Windows XP (with SP2)--- Standby to receive our transmission ---
November 22nd, 2005, 12:58 AM #54
did use redhat linux 6 cant remember when but i think 90's or something but cant make money out of it, started learning visual basic 6 then make money then start learning asp, php and coldfusion then make money out of it then adobe Photoshop also start to make money out of it, then adobe illustrator and premier then start to make money out of it.
i dont see any reason why i have to switch back to no money baby. I can deal with spyware etc. what can i do all business try to hit each other creating something to destroy em.
If linux rules OS around the world then Linux should get what M$ is currently getting now. Its all a game if you can’t beat em join em, like what Linux is trying to do now a days.
There is no such thing as a perfect code LOL all programs/code has their weakness. If you’re smart then, there are people way smarter than you.
OSX is nice thou.I miss Dimebag Darrell
November 22nd, 2005, 04:26 AM #55
Originally Posted by originel
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I stated that AD and eDirectory are more mature that OD. Both are MUCH more in use than OD. Have you ever administered a eDirectory network? Not everyone is Apple in the brainAMD 64 3800+ Venice | GeIL 2GB PC3200 (4x512mb) | ASUS A8N-E | 8600GTS 256MB | Antec NeoPower 480 PSU Antec | SLK3000B case | Samsung 2168W LCD
November 22nd, 2005, 08:54 AM #56Originally Posted by athlonxpguy
November 22nd, 2005, 07:03 PM #57I am quite well informed, as I work in the IT field and have experience in both eDirectory and AD in large corporate networks (13,000 users).
You have the attitude that you know everything. What is your job BTW?
Have you ever administered a eDirectory network?
I stated that AD and eDirectory are more mature that OD.
Both are MUCH more in use than OD.
Last edited by originel; November 22nd, 2005 at 07:05 PM.
November 23rd, 2005, 03:25 AM #58
It doesn't matter to me if I use Snap-on or Mac tools so long as I get the job done and get paid. Some brands work better than other at a given task - I prefer the feel of Snap-on; I like the price of Husky...
November 25th, 2005, 01:33 PM #59
Originally Posted by ShawnD1
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Why is it people think after using windows for years, Linux should be automatic. That they will not have to "learn" Linux.
You were not born with Windows knowledge. Sure, after using it for years it may seem that way, but not. at some point you had to read a book, ask for help, or take a class. And just like you were not born with Windows knowledge, you were not born with Linux knowledge. Linux is not Windows. Windows is not Linux. Do not expect Windows knowledge to get you through Linux. Linux is a different language. Until you learn it, do not expect to be able to use it with any degree of success.
November 25th, 2005, 07:01 PM #60Originally Posted by el_jefe"I'm hung like a horse and will kill you for no reason."
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