Sager/Clevo DEFINITELY using Desktop Motherboards on their Units

[Pablo Gizirian]

Well guys I have checked thouroughly and make lot's of researchs and came up to the conclusion sager it's using a desktop motherboard design , it's an Intel 845E ( well it's should be obvious not that much research over it ) .
If you check over at intels site this is the design exlusively for mobile CPU's

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/mobile/845mp.htm


So what's the fuzz here.. ohh that's why they're offering 533FSB , Intel's 845E chipset offers 400FSB.

So it's just a desktop computer covered up.

[Avicus]

So? We all know they're using stuff to run a desktop chip, but it's not a purely desktop board. You couldn't just rip the board out of your nearest tower and plop it in your case. You'd have pci cards coming out of the keyboard.... it's not a purely desktop board.

[claco]

And? What's all the fuss over what the mobo is?

Who gives a wet rat what it runs. You either like the vid/mem/cpu/etc specs or ya don't. As long as it runs to the spec I purchase, they could have cottage cheese inside for all I care.

[Pablo Gizirian]

Claco :The main issue regarding on using a desktop motherboard integrates the following problems

- Increased heat emission per wattage on intensive cpu appz
- You won't have speedstep on your CPU which conserves battery life
- Less lifecycle on unit components

So that's mainly my main worry about it


Either way I'll still wait and see if anyone gets 888x series with an Ati Radeon 9k and check it's review

[Tazman]

I hate to kick a dead horse .

The 888x is intended as a "desktop replacement". It is NOT (IMO) intended to cart around to class (but can be). It IS a desktop chip in a laptop.

Heat issues?

As I spent about 5 hours this morning addressing these questions and mentioned this, what is the problem?

AMD chips run hotter than Intels. Period. I'm not about to go into a resume' but I choose to build AMD desktop systems because of the performance / cost / reliability / upgrading of the systems. Yes, I said reliability.

Fact: Intel has had at least 3 major overhauls (that I'm aware of) on the P4 since it's release. That means that a P4 v1 won't plug into a P4 v2 motherboard, etc. The memory configuration has changed also. Those that are the avid Intel fans that jumped on the P4 bandwagon off the bat found themselves replacing not only the motherboards but also the memory as well to get the best performance for the buck.

Fact: I could buy a XP2400 chip right now and plug it into an Asus A7A266 and boot the freakin' thing up without having to replace the motherboard / memory. That board is two years old and saw the first AMD 800MHz Athalon.

'Kay, I AM biased when it comes to desktop builds and performance and until Intel's release of the P4 @ 533MHz FSB a few short weeks ago, AMD rocked - regaurdless of clock / cycle speed.

But that isn't the issue here is it? We're talking LAPTOPS (pardon the caps but 'come on). The normal Joe / Georgette isn't gonna be swapping out CPU's in a laptop. Nor is he / she gonna be capable of upgrading the video card. 'Jes ain't gonna happen.

So, I echo myself to what I tell my customers in the market buying a laptop - "Buy the fastest laptop with the most options available at the time of purchase and be content that next week something else will beat it". I'm living proof of that a number of times. Am now. That is the nature of the beast in the mobile world. Except it or build a desktop. Period.

Intel has owned the mobile computing area since I can remember (my first laptop was in 1993 and weighed more than my current desktop). They still own the market. AMD inrtoduced their mobile XP processor earlier in the year but has yet to out-perform what Intel is offering. I say that as a AMD builder . Doesn't make me proud to admit either - I always root for the underdog.

But what is the issue with having a desktop chip in a laptop? If it were an AMD, I would be concerned because they run a whole lot hotter. This P4 I wrote about for the entire morning ran stable without a reboot in XP after ripping and encoding a DVD for over 13 hours and was still able to crunch numbers after. No lock-ups, no BSOD's, no hesitation. I threw everything I could at the laptop and it took it all and wanted more. Mind you, if you missed it before, I am as anti-Intel as I am Dell, Compaq, AOL but the DESKTOP chip ran as perfectly as I could want.

I have spent WAY too much of my day and haven't done the work that is required to do to pay my bills addressing this issue.

If y'all are so worried about having a desktop chip that won't speed-step and battery power and tech support for a laptop - buy a Dell. I will (and do) spend countless hours educating people on the options of buying a desktop and the future upgrading possibilities. Short of memory / hard drive, there isn't much your able to upgrade on a laptop - ergo, me buying a P4. There is NO way you're gonna replace the motherboard in a laptop, 'least even humble me wouldn't attempt it.

Sorry for being blunt but I have 7 hours of "free" time into this today and to see a post about a "desktop " motherboard in a laptop makes me feel as if I wasted ............7 hours.

My 2 1/2 cents .

Mike

[MrPurple]

Tazman you bring up some good points, but the main fact here is that we are talking about LAPTOPS, and yes desktop replacements are heavy monsters, but they are still laptops, and the main purpose of a laptop is mobility, not performance. If you want something with a desktop chip that will run the latests games and apps, get yourself a desktop, there are some nice mini barebones out there right now.
But if you want a laptop you either:
Need the mobility
Just want to have one for the sake of having one
Now I belive that heat and battery problems are EXTREMELY important factors when purchasing a laptop. I mean would you want to have your laptop setting fire to your family jewls? I know I don't. Also whats the point of buying a laptop that has to be pluged in all the time, its like a slow, expenisve desktop than.

Having said that what I look for in a laptop most is a balance between performance, batterylife, warranty, size and ofcourse weight.
I also want to FEEL the stability of the laptop. What I mean is that when you hold the laptop or use it or carry it around does it feel flimsy and fragile or does it feel solid and like it can go to hell and back and still work.
So far I only experinaced 3 laptops that have that feel:
The IBM ThinkPad T20 serries, Dell Latitude series (the insparion serries is horrible), and the Fujitsu P2000 laptop.
I am sure there are plenty more out there but these are the only ones I came in contact with.

[SickPup404]

http://www.tuplay.com/display.asp?i=32&p=1

[Pablo Gizirian]

SickPup I don't get it what 's your point ?

you just posted an URL with stuff about intel

[SickPup404]

It's a little O/T, but basically just agreeing with Taz, and showing some of the details of the Intel screwups. Somewhat shocking when you see them all in one place.

Like I said, a little O/T, but I thought it was worth it to inject a bit of humor in here. Seemed to be getting hotter.

'Tis all.

[Tazman]

SickPup - LOL .

I apoplogize if I came across a bit "heated" - I could blame it on a very hetic week, whatever, I probably should have thought out my wording better . Sorry.

MrPurple -

Now I belive that heat and battery problems are EXTREMELY important factors when purchasing a laptop. I mean would you want to have your laptop setting fire to your family jewls? I know I don't.

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My laptop has been on my desktop since I got it so I'm safe - actually, as cold as it is this morning............

You also made a good point about the battery life. I'm guessing that the 8880 is gonna get around 1 1/2 to 2 hours under normal conditions. I probably won't get around to it today but I'll unplug and see how long it lasts surfing and running Excel.

As far as the warranty, I'm okay with it. An addition 2 or 3 years can be purchased additionaly. I didn't opt for it because, IMO, if something is gonna go, I figure that it would do it within the first year of my workouts. Overall, I would have to agree with claco's statement. I felt this was the best package being offered at the time based upon options / cost / performance. I didn't factor in the size / weight / warranty because I already knew.

As for fraility - another good point. But at 12 pounds (with battery) and over 2" thick - that laptop is pretty solid. The lid is even thick enough that when you open or shut it using the corner instead of the proper way of the center, it doesn't "bend".

Anyhew, again, I apologize for the way I stated things. I in no way intended to be an @$$ but I have a bad habit of doing that at times .

I suppose that's why I stay out of the "Buyer's Guidance" forum" .

Mike